In defence of deadnaming

[welshgendercrit]

For ‘deadnaming’ is just a Newspeak word designed to demonise the telling of historical truths. Not satisfied with seeking to control contemporary discussion and attitudes, now trans activists and their allies (all institutions, in essence) want to control the past itself. History. No way. The past happened, it was true, and we should not allow that to be erased and forgotten just to make some people feel better about themselves.

Yet again spiked (which I never used to read) has written a good, hardhitting, sensible article on transactivism.

www.spiked-online.com/2018/10/11/in-defence-of-deadnaming/

And coercive control is what abusers do. Hence the desire to make "deadnaming" illegal.

@NonExistentFox In your sentence:

Women are a paradigmatic and probably archetypal example but we're not the only one or the absolute, and certainly as individuals we're perfectly capable of oppressing other people, including subcategories of women, in the same way.

could you clarify who is meant by ‘women’ in the first clause (women are a paradigmatic etc)

and who are the subcategories of women they might oppress?

The way it is constructed makes it sound as though you are asserting a hierarchy of womanhood:

1 women
2–> n all thesubcategories of women

Pulling the ladder up. What utter shite. Men have persuaded you to say this stuff, men with a cross dressing paraphillia. And you are so gullible you are proud of it.

In country where a man can butcher a woman in the vilest of ways and then, claiming it was consensual be sentenced to less than 4 years

where 2 women a week are murdered by men, often known to them

I want to know what the feminist fuck ‘pulling up the ladder’ means

can any mother help?

Women are a paradigmatic and probably archetypal example but we're not the only one or the absolute, and certainly as individuals we're perfectly capable of oppressing other people, including subcategories of women, in the same way.

Does that translate to nasty women in plain English?

Men have persuaded you to say this stuff

Some people are just plain stupid, without having anyone prompting them.

DARVO away, MadgeMidgerson. A lot of gaslighted minorities get it and stand in solidarity with trans people instead of pulling the ladder up after themselves.

This projection you're doing is very typical of TRAs.

Oh "we"?

On another thread you described yourself as "gay", Fox. So you're a lesbian?

So you're a lesbian

you may have to provide your definition of lesbian

Hah. Good luck with that.

I'm presuming spiritual cock is a fancy term for the reason why some lesbians enjoy having their strapons sucked, but clearly I need to read up on the whole subject because personally I don't know whether I'm lesbian or bi under your classification system.

Missed this gem. If you need to ask, I imagine you're bi. If you knew, you'd be a terrible transphobe.

Under your system you could be a bloke.

That may very well be factually true but evidently not how Fox would self define! Who knows. Burble burble something something authentic identity.

I'm not sure you can even define yourself as "bi" as that is another transphobic term.

Good point eresh

Oh, RTFT, Ereshkigal.

could you clarify who is meant by ‘women’ in the first clause (women are a paradigmatic etc)

and who are the subcategories of women they might oppress?

‘Women’ means All Women and "subcategories" means any subdivision into which any of us may categorised, e.g. brahmin women, bisexual women, immigrant women, married women, unemployed women, Wizard Dungeons and Dragons women, Lego Harry Potter women, and any combinations thereof, in situations where relative status can be exploited.

What's a "woman"? Does it exclusively mean people of the female sex?

Nope.

right so trans lesbians can thus oppress cis straight women?

working class women can oppress wealthy posh women with inherited titles?

v interesting tell me more

Hang on, so "nasty women" are mean to "dungeons and dragons women" and this means women are mean?
What groups of "nasty women" have "pulled the ladder up" and in what way is this linked to their womanhood? Surely these "nasty women" are equally nasty to dungeons and dragons men too?
So really this is a "women have been told they are less valid, but some of them are mean" argument? I.e. not a valid argument at all? Some disabled people are horrible, does that invalidate the injustices disabled people face, because you can paint one or two of them as "oppressors"?

My dad always used female as a bit of an insult

So usually someone would be a lady...rufus the sweets are by the lady over there

he might have used woman.....rufus, women usually lose when arm wrestling men

And then female......some stupid female just cut me up on the roundabout

Now im gonna use the word female all the time, at least on the fwr board

I think the gist is no class analysis is possible or even desirable as anyone can oppress anyone on any one of a thousand potential axes, all of which are equivalent in significance

and just like that, structural barriers to liberation disappear

hooray I guess?

If "woman" doesn't mean people of the female sex then presumably straight men in bad wigs are a subcategory of women and can oppress actual women and do that ladder pulling up thing. Right?

I think the gist is no class analysis is possible or even desirable as anyone can oppress anyone on any one of a thousand potential axes, all of which are equivalent in significance

and just like that, structural barriers to liberation disappear

Well I for one am delighted and grateful.

Wizard Dungeons and Dragons women, Lego Harry Potter women,

Interesting. So what is the precise difference between a Lego Harry Potter woman and a Lego Harry Potter man? You know, if I wanted to categorise them?

Do the Lego women "identify" as women?

Women who play dungeons and dragons can only pull the ladder up on other women if they roll the dice a certain way, though.

I think the influence of the magical arts on the general ability of women to oppress other women is a neglected field of study in the modern age. We need a new Malleus Maleficarium.