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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Would anyone in Layla Morans constituency like to sign my letter following "female souls" comments

54 replies

GColdtimer · 26/11/2018 12:17

I have about 20 signatures so far. Would love to make it more. I don't really want to publish the letter here but happy to share by PM.

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BlytheSpiritsSpirit · 26/11/2018 12:19

Wish I could! Very good idea to do this - perhaps consider informing your local press and hand delivering the letter/s to her in person.

Bearsinmotion · 26/11/2018 12:22

Yep, PM me!

GColdtimer · 26/11/2018 12:52

Good idea Blyth, I know the journalist at the Oxford Mail pretty well.

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GColdtimer · 26/11/2018 12:55

Pm'd you bearsinmotion

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Stilettosandan0venglove · 26/11/2018 14:25

I hope more people in LM's constituency see this!

GColdtimer · 26/11/2018 16:51

Me too. I will bump a few times!

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MadamePudding · 26/11/2018 17:09

Me! Please pm me.

GColdtimer · 26/11/2018 21:02

Madame will do. Thank you.

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GColdtimer · 27/11/2018 10:12

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

GColdtimer · 27/11/2018 10:13

Oh no, didn't mean to post that here, thought I was sending a PM. I have reported to be deleted!

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GColdtimer · 27/11/2018 12:08

Bumping!

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GColdtimer · 27/11/2018 14:48

Anyone? I know there are lots of us on here, just difficult to grab their attention!

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rightreckoner · 27/11/2018 14:51

Don’t know how lively the local chat is but that might be a start. Also put something on chat because some people don’t read feminism chat and it doesn’t show up on trending

GColdtimer · 28/11/2018 09:56

That's a good idea. I might just put it on AIBU!

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R0wantrees · 28/11/2018 10:31

It might be worth considering the interview yesterday on Woman's Hour with Layla Moran and Michelle Moore.
Layla Moran did in the course of the interview reveal there were important factors she was not aware of (perhaps given so much of her information within LibDems has come from her 'dear friend' Helen Belcher, Sarah Brown etc) but she did listen re girls and high incidents of autism and seemed able to start taking such aspects on board.

GColdtimer · 28/11/2018 11:56

Oh I didn't hear that. Thanks Rowan. It may be that I include something positive from that so it gives her something to work with. I will listen.

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drradfem · 28/11/2018 12:08

We can post this on We Need To Talk fb page if you give us the details

thecompletenonsequitur · 28/11/2018 12:13

Have pm'd you.

GColdtimer · 28/11/2018 15:47

Thanks, @drradfem will PM you later.

thecomplete, I have PM'd you.

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GColdtimer · 07/12/2018 09:16

I have a response. 40 people signed my letter. This is what she said

Dear all

Thank you for your email. Yes, I see what you mean and I am sorry that you feel uncomfortable around transwomen. Unfortunately I still do not agree with you.

I mean gender-segregated spaces, not sex-segregated spaces. I am not happy to segregate transwomen from women's only spaces. That is not what the Equality Act is about.

Of course, I can only say what I myself am comfortable with and what I give consent for. I would never force you into sharing a changing room with someone you did not wish to share with.

I would like to suggest to you in practice that most transwomen who have not had gender reassignment surgery do not want to share space with other women and opt for single rooms and cubicles. I can quote an example that I know of: a transwoman in hospital with terminal illness was placed on a women's ward but in one of the two single rooms.

You quote two examples: youth hostels and swimming pools. Most now provide a variety of provision that include single cubicles and rooms. I can only suggest that if the ones you use do not then we press for that provision to be made as soon as possible, because at present transwomen can legally enter gender-segregated spaces and without changes to the Equality Act they will continue to be able to do so.

In that way, you and your daughters will be able to opt for single cubicles/bedrooms if that is your wish. In fact, you should be allowed to do if anyone in that space makes you uncomfortable. I suggest that if that is the case, then you should approach the staff of the institution you are in and ask to be removed from the situation for your own comfort.

I hope this practical advice assists you.

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OldCrone · 07/12/2018 10:05

I mean gender-segregated spaces, not sex-segregated spaces. I am not happy to segregate transwomen from women's only spaces. That is not what the Equality Act is about.

The Equality Act has no provision for 'gender-segregated' spaces - how can it, when there is no protected characteristic of gender?

I hope this practical advice assists you.

How patronising. And from someone who clearly doesn't understand the issue herself.

NanooCov · 07/12/2018 10:10

So what she's basically saying is if you're uncomfortable with someone with a penis being in a women only space, it's down to you to remove yourself from that space, rather than the person with the penis? Jesus Christ. The lunatics are running the asylum.

GColdtimer · 07/12/2018 10:18

I am slightly less angry than I was last night. But only a smidge.

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OldCrone · 07/12/2018 10:27

twofalls
Are you going to go and see her in person? It will be harder for her to dismiss your concerns when you can give a reasonable response to each of her poorly informed comments.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 07/12/2018 10:27

What is a "gender-segregated space", exactly?