Would anyone in Layla Morans constituency like to sign my letter following "female souls" comments

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I have about 20 signatures so far. Would love to make it more. I don't really want to publish the letter here but happy to share by PM.

Is she actually quite thick?

Thick, yes. She made an complete fool of herself discussing this in Parliament and on Women’s Hour. However, her utter contempt for her constituents, which she can’t even bring herself to conceal in correspondence like this, will lose her her very slim majority at the next election.

Oh look, Layla Moran!

I mean gender-segregated spaces, not sex-segregated spaces. I am not happy to segregate transwomen from women's only spaces. That is not what the Equality Act is about.

She obviously doesn't understand the EA.

I would like to suggest to you in practice that most transwomen who have not had gender reassignment surgery do not want to share space with other women and opt for single rooms and cubicles.

If this is the case, why not make this the law? Which male transpeople would object to be excluded from open plan spaces where girls and women undress?

You can ask her what you should do with gender sehregated spaces, considering that you do not have a gender.

Delighted to hear that everyone will have access to single, secure, private rooms and cubicles whenever and wherever they want them. Somewhat less delighted than people this dim are in positions of power.

in a lot of places the single-occupancy provision is more expensive than the communal option. eg youth hostels, train sleeper carriages, hospitals can charge if you ask for a single room for privacy reasons (not if its medical reasons). so is personal bodily autonomy only for the wealthy?

You can ask her what you should do with gender sehregated spaces, considering that you do not have a gender.

The Equality Act includes protection under Religion or Belief, for people who have religious beliefs or reject them all. Genderism is a belief system, requiring a belief in gendered souls, so gender-segregated spaces would fall under this protected characteristic. As far as I am aware, we have no gender segregated spaces. Those of us who do not believe in genderism, and have no gender, should not be discriminated against on this basis.

'Gender' has no legal standing in the Equality Act, other than part of a religious belief. The protected characteristic which protects women is 'sex'.

so is personal bodily autonomy only for the wealthy?

Layla Moran is privileged and wealthy. She has no idea how ordinary people live.

I would never force you into sharing a changing room with someone you did not wish to share with.

I will be perfectly happy for women who can not enter a changing room with people of the opposite sex for religious reasons to be marginalised and be excluded from parts of our society, all in the name of inclusivity.

OldCrone yes,there are several of us who have asked for a meeting with her on this.

Let us know how it goes, twofalls. She's spent a lot of time being briefed by Helen Belcher, so she really needs to hear the other side.

I used youth hostels a lot when I was younger as the dorms were so cheap: single rooms were a lot more expensive. I wouldn't have been able to afford a single room back then, so is she suggesting that either the YHA give out single rooms for the price of a dorm, or, more likely, women who can't afford a single room have to stay at home?

Loads of good point here thank you. I am going to collate them all and ask for a meeting.

I asked the YHA to clarify their policy, and they got back to me to say that rooms were definitely divided by declared gender, not by sex, but that 'in practice' they had not found this to be a problem. I asked them what their policy would be if there WAS a problem that is, if they found they were asking people to share with opposite-sex strangers and said it would be a problem for me to feel secure enough to sleep in a mixed-sex, same-gender dorm, or to allow my teenage daughters to do so.

Tumbleweed.

What is the ethnic profile of Layla's constituency?

Is it particularly diverse?

(I don't need to ask this question do I?)

Delighted to hear that everyone will have access to single, secure, private rooms and cubicles whenever and wherever they want them. Somewhat less delighted than people this dim are in positions of power.

She really has not even begun to grasp the basic point, has she? How does someone with such poor understanding manage to become an MP?

I always used to think that most MPs were pretty smart. What with this and Brexit, the last few months have been a complete eye-opener for me.

Did she go to a posh school?

(I don't need to ask this question do I?)

sigh

I am Oxford East but I will sign if I can?

Notice the way she only represents her own opinion, yet can confidently speak for most transwomen in practice. That’s quite a lot of transwoman she’s followed around then isn’t it? No wonder she’s got no time to read the Equality Act or actually do any proper MPing.

So Layla, you know all the transwomen in the UK, and most of them are lovely. How about the other transwomen, the ones that you obviously know aren’t lovely? If I find myself in a changing room with them, or sleeping in a dorm how will I know whether I should remove myself? Being as you know all the transwomen in the UK, and which are nice and which aren’t, maybe you could provide a list of the ones who aren’t so nice, you know, like the boards they used to have up in pubs with photos of all the local trouble makers? Of course that would only work if everyone could see them, which I can’t. Shit!

Also how do I know which gender segregated space is for me? Will there be a list of qualifying attributes on the door? What if I’m wearing pink but I also like football? Or if my team loses tonight and I go off football for a bit but I’m still wearing pink but have short hair but I’m wearing sparkly earrings? This sounds quite complicated. I don’t want to have to do a check list when I’m bursting for a piss and my moon cup is leaking. Also my mum hates football but I don’t mind sharing with her, but the boy who tried to rape me when I was 12 hates football but likes rugby, but also likes cooking, and the bloke who was grooming me when I was 15 had long hair and no interest in football whatsoever. I really really wouldn’t like to share with them. If only there was a clear and obvious way to separate people without resorting to colour preferences, hobbies and magic essences. A simple way that kept all the groomy rapey penis having types away from the cunty types who the groomy rapey types like to groom and rape, because that sounds like a really clever idea, and I’m sure that all the lovely transwomen that Layla knows would be fine with that, because you know, they’re all so lovely and understanding and all that. Hmmmm...

Also Layla, while we’re at it, can we have a definition of woman that has a defined meaning. I mean I think woman means adult human female, where as I’ve observed a fair number of people who think woman means wearing a dress and high heals, and there’s more than a few people who I’ve also observed who seem to think that woman means bingo, my penis is free and it can do whatever it likes. Those meanings are quite different so it would be helpful if we could narrow it down a bit.

So Layla, if you could please answer my questions in full, then send them to: Badstyley’s arse, Mumsnet, and don’t forget to SWALK.

She really isn't very bright and I agree that she's also hugely condescending. The constituency is not very mixed, traditionally Tory or Lib Dem. But I think a lot of people will disagree with her on this.

Thanks twofalls for doing this.

That reply is awful! She really doesn't have a clue. Her tone was very condescending too.

The EA has sex exemptions not gender exemptions. Unfortunately having a GRC allows you to have a new birth certificate as well giving you a new sex (legal fiction) so if anyone can get a GRC then the sex based exemptions are toothless. It isn't good enough to say 'in practice pre-op transwomen choose individual cubicles' when the numbers holding GRCs under self id will massively increase and will inevitably include those self id-I guess for purpose of abuse. I have a research paper looking at everyone coming forward for GRC in Oxfordshire over a period of several years. Two were refused as they were paedophiles wanting to present as women to facilitate access to children. Self id would have let them through. I can post link here tomorrow if you are interested.

I read dear Layla's speech in the debate on self id in Hansard. It is truly scary that someone who believes in evidence freee mumbo jumbo can get to be an MP.

This is a very interesting and easily readable research paper about individuals coming forward for gender reassignment in Oxfordshire. Layla should be interested especially as 5% were refused on the grounds that they wanted to transition to facilitate paedophilia.

www.researchgate.net/publication/268504889_Gender_reassignment_5_Years_of_referrals_in_Oxfordshire

What a shitshow the libdems have become. I wasted 30 years campaigning for them only to be thrown under the bus as a feminist.
Although British politics will become narrower I am expecting them to be single figures in Parliament after the next election.