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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I was one of the transactivists on the channel 4 documentary, I regret what I did — this is why

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 25/11/2018 09:34

medium.com/@Betsulimo/i-was-one-of-the-transactivists-on-the-channel-4-documentary-i-regret-what-i-did-this-is-why-7e12350ab6d3

Someone who was filmed trying to stop the “we need to talk” session now thinks they were wrong for attempting to shut down debate and realises that they were intimidating women

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Italiangreyhound · 30/11/2018 20:06

How is reef blocker even legal? Surely defining a group of people as terms mist contravene some law?

Italiangreyhound · 30/11/2018 20:07

I will pretend my double whammy word mistake was intentisl so as not to say tr!

AngryAttackKittens · 30/11/2018 20:37

At some point the whole of Twitter will be on Terfblocker with the exception of about 100 people frantically tweeting paranoia at each other.

arranbubonicplague · 02/12/2018 19:04

Heather Brunskell-Evans has commented and given her version of what happened with Esther Betts and at the recent Bristol event where she was invited to speak by the Free Speech Society:

medium.com/dr-heather-brunskell-evans/free-speech-and-transactivism-ed552d2774c6

NeurotrashWarrior · 02/12/2018 19:28

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

Ereshkigal · 02/12/2018 19:34

Good article by Heather.

Rattinghat · 03/12/2018 11:53

That's interesting. Esther says she 'cowered', and she says she didn't at all.

Hoppinggreen · 03/12/2018 12:22

It seems to me that Esther is getting off on the idea of frightening women

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 03/12/2018 16:26

If I were Esther’s mum (or gran) and saw that crap, Esther would be in Very Deep Shit and under no illusions a about what a complete and utter git they had been (and probably dragged by their ear to apologise).

But then I dont let DS act like a little shit.

Rattinghat · 03/12/2018 19:47

And why is Esther pictured wearing a mask? If the article is all about coming clean and being open.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 03/12/2018 19:49

Because we ladies always go about with a mask on dont we?

Ereshkigal · 15/12/2018 10:01

m.youtube.com/watch?v=hDkyg0E6nNQ

Interview with Esther Betts.

Thingybob · 15/12/2018 10:55

I watched a couple of minutes of that video and what jumped out at me is that Esther, like many other TRAs, appears to be on the Autistic Spectrum.

Datun · 15/12/2018 11:06

I'm afraid I couldn't get through it. All over the place.

Someone might have to summarise.

LangCleg · 15/12/2018 11:08

Posh person problems.

Ereshkigal · 15/12/2018 11:14

Esther also says that they were bullied for being effeminate. That doesn't make you a woman, kid. It's a very male socialised experience.

Bubonicpanic · 15/12/2018 11:45

This foolish child, who are they kidding, spending your life with your face painted up like a clown, where is that getting you, how is that making you feel peace.

Leave the AGP at home, it's normal to keep you sex life private, taking it outside and demanding participation will get a poor reaction. Why can't they get hep to understand this?

Bubonicpanic · 15/12/2018 12:26

Ok he has explained that he was born with a ladybrain, there is scientific proof that trans identifying males have lady brains apparantly.

Almondcandle · 15/12/2018 12:42

In psychology there are studies of masculinity and femininity. What the traits of these are had been defined, measured, analysed etc.

So if this individual claims to be feminine, shouldn’t they be explaining that by engaging with the concepts we already have of what constitutes masculine and feminine behaviour. We must all know feminine men, and I don’t see that trans individuals are coming across as particularly feminine. If they want to get into the debate over whether a ‘female brain’ is innate or socialised, shouldn’t they then have to explain that in terms of how they exhibit the claimed traits?

As a parent I have found it essential to think about feminine traits in terms of how I wanted to raise my son. Femininity and masculinity do refer to something in a sexist society. They can’t just be taken to mean anything simply because someone wants to claim to be feminine.

I also found it disturbing that this person considered males to form identity through producing something while women can just be. It treats women as some kind of empty category you can escape into if you don’t do anything. It ignores that most work is done by women and that women cannot just ‘be.’

WeRiseUp · 15/12/2018 12:53

I think you are being a bit harsh with Betts. I would say Betts does come across as being on the spectrum in a way that is engaging - quite a thoughtful person and open to re-evaluating things - (apart from being trans of course). But watching the video through, it seems the very spectrum-y feelings - nebulous distress and difficulties, are given meaningful form for Betts through dysphoria/transgenderist beliefs, cod science, etc.

WeRiseUp · 15/12/2018 13:02

Although the sexist belief in ladybrain, stereotypes about how women can just 'be' and the imperious waving off of the oppressive female condition which is inherent in the claimed certainty Betts would prefer to be a woman, I think there's hope. I think rational enquiry ends up in a particular place.

irnbruforlife · 15/12/2018 13:08

She hates being tall (she's only an inch bigger than me 🤔) because people mistake her for a tall woman and she thinks this might give away the fact she used to be a man 😂 I don't believe for a second any woman genuinely 100% thought you were a natal woman. ever. Anyone with eyes and ears can tell you were born a man. And it's nothing to do with height. She's sitting down for this interview and I can tell a mile off what the biological sex is.

Thingybob · 15/12/2018 13:58

Having watched it all, I like Esther. She has an innocence and naivety that would make me feel very protective of her if I knew her in real life. She is trying very hard to make sense of herself and her world although I suspect it is not easy or natural for her, due to being on the spectrum?

Anyway if you are reading Esther, keep doing what you are doing and talk to people but don't limit that dialogue to just trans issues. What I see time and again is TRAs completely disregarding the needs of everyone else but that is not how society works. We have to balance the needs of numerous different groups and millions of individuals and in my opinion you (and the trans movement) would benefit from that realization.

Qcng · 15/12/2018 13:59

Spending your life with your face painted up like a clown
Cone off it. I'm as gender critical as they come but this sort of comment is exactly why GC feminists are seen as vicious.

LangCleg · 15/12/2018 14:08

I'm afraid what I saw was a silly, spoiled child with arrested development and hasn't yet sussed that other people actually exist and the world isn't a personal social construct that will coddle them for life.

But y'know. We proletarian lessers are like that.