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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Was thinking very much of you lot

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Glinner · 21/11/2018 18:38

twitter.com/Glinner/status/1065307682364641284

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LangCleg · 21/11/2018 23:11

IKR? You listen to them and it's like "2016, a brief summary".

Seriously. It's laughable. I'm like, "Where have you been, you utter shitgibbons? We had this bit of the discussion years ago and even the people you're sticking up for know that."

I wouldn't trust any of them make me a cup of fucking tea properly and there they are, running the country.

AngryAttackKittens · 21/11/2018 23:12

That old used teabag that's been left on the counter overnight identifies as a new one...

LangCleg · 21/11/2018 23:12

I identify as a common Northerner, so if you complain about my swearing you're denying me my ability to be my true self.

Don't fucking swear.

Oh.

You didn't.

Fucking don't anyway.

Ereshkigal · 21/11/2018 23:13

I think I like Jack.

He's brilliant. He really gets it.

Glinner · 21/11/2018 23:18

Jack is a prince. Has lost friendships because of his stance. Definitely worth a follow and a kind word.

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LangCleg · 21/11/2018 23:19

The thing about Jack not so much that he has a way with words (he does) but that they are so clearly coming from the heart. I really like him.

Mrskeats · 21/11/2018 23:39

I follow jack: he’s spot on.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/11/2018 23:50

I'd not come across him (still no clue who he is) but found this from earlier in the year...spot on indeed:

'Men with no previous interest in feminism or trans rights are suddenly and vociferously arguing for trans women's access to women's spaces, shortlists, services, legal rights, and slurring women who want a conversation about it all.

Why?

I am troubled. Smells of patriarchy 2.0.'

mobile.twitter.com/jackappleby/status/999352629661708295

BesmirchingMotherhood · 22/11/2018 00:12

I can’t see souls, I am
soul-blind.

Can I get that treated on the NHS?

Vegilante · 22/11/2018 00:21

"I simply don't see the issue... I see someone as a soul and as a person. I do not really care whether they have a male body." - Layla Moran, MP

Viewing this from the perspective of someone from the USA who spends a lot of time in the UK, this really perplexes me. The UK population includes people from all sorts of backgrounds whose views are extremely divergent, so how can a British MP who is supposed to represent her constituents believe that the only views & feelings that matter here are her own personal ones? It's like she doesn't get the basic concept of representative democracy.

Surely, quite a few of Moran's constituents "do see" & "do care" whether people have male or female bodies - especially in changing rooms, refuges, hospital wards & so on - for all sorts of reasons.

Also, "I simply don't see..." Isn't that basically what everyone said all along about Jimmy Savile & Gary Glitter? And many said for ages about Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford, Oxford, Newcastle...?

These of course are just rhetorical questions - from a citizen of a country which has plenty of clueless, autocratic politicians & many thorny problems of its own. No disrespect meant to anyone in the UK other than Layla Moran & her fellow travellers.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 22/11/2018 08:00

Surely, quite a few of Moran's constituents "do see" & "do care" whether people have male or female bodies - especially in changing rooms, refuges, hospital wards & so on - for all sorts of reasons.

Those people need to get with the programme and accept that Layla can see souls and has said it's all okay.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 22/11/2018 08:09

Who has her ear?

I think it was Layla who mentioned 'my friend Helen Belcher'. Which says it all really.

Sexnotgender · 22/11/2018 08:15

I can see the remake of the sixth sense in the pipeline! Starring Layla Moran.

Fucksake, I can see souls. Arse.

Datun · 22/11/2018 08:22

glinner

Thread discussing the documentary here.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3430608-Stella-OMalley-Trans-Kids-Its-Time-To-Talk?msgid=82764828#prettyPhoto

Twitter TRAs not happy apparently.

India Willoughby thinking that being gender critical can be compared to being black critical or Asian critical.

For someone who has always been a woman, India clearly doesn't understand that criticism of gender is the cornerstone of feminism and always has been.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 22/11/2018 08:44

For someone who has always been a woman, India clearly doesn't understand that criticism of gender is the cornerstone of feminism and always has been.

WUT

You doubt the Good and Great Willoughby's knowledge of what it means to be a woman? I mean, how would we females cope if we didn't have the likes of Willoughby or Faye or Madigan to tell us what to think?

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 22/11/2018 10:34

I mean, how would we females cope if we didn't have the likes of Willoughby or Faye or Madigan to tell us what to think?

Goodness. We might never have realised the importance of shaving our legs to avoid looking dirty.

VickyEadie · 22/11/2018 11:07

"I simply don't see the issue... I see someone as a soul and as a person. I do not really care whether they have a male body." - Layla Moran, MP

See, the man who sexually assaulted me had a male body and it wouldn't have mattered one iota if he'd 'identified' as a woman, would it?

Are those of us who have been assaulted or even raped by men somehow lacking in the 'seeing into men's souls' dept? Does this magic ability keep Layla safe from assault?

deepwatersolo · 22/11/2018 11:12

Are those of us who have been assaulted or even raped by men somehow lacking in the 'seeing into men's souls' dept? Does this magic ability keep Layla safe from assault?

And what if Layla sees the soul of that one other person in the secluded changing room and it is the soul of another Karen White?

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 22/11/2018 11:19

Moran should take the Amazing Randi up on his offer. Last I heard, there was a million dollar reward available for anyone who could prove that they had supernatural powers. If the ability to see someone's soul doesn't qualify for that challenge I don't know what does.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 22/11/2018 11:23

And what if Layla sees the soul of that one other person in the secluded changing room and it is the soul of another Karen White?

We all know that transwomen are just delicate flowers who want nothing more than to pee in peace. They are never violent and, if they are, it's because we terfs mis-gendered them. And, anyway, it never happens. And when it does, it's not that bad.

rolls eyes

Waspnest · 22/11/2018 11:29

I'm not sure Layla Moran is representative of many people in the UK - didn't she go to Roedean (private, girls only)? I'm guessing she never had to entertain the idea of male bodies in the loos/changing rooms at school.

Waspnest · 22/11/2018 11:32

Sorry that was aimed at Vegilante.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 22/11/2018 11:41

girls only

What? How exclusionary. What about boys who "identify" as girls? Can't they go to Roedean, too?

Tsk, tsk, Moran.

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