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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Writing from Twitter prison!

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Glinner · 16/11/2018 17:28

I've received a twelve-hour ban from Twitter so I thought I'd take the chance to say hello lovely mumsnetters! Thank you for all the support and kind words and very proud to be on your side.

I'm not deleting the tweets because I stand by them and there's nothing offensive about them. See for thyself, fellow witches!

Writing from Twitter prison!
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Binglebong · 16/11/2018 20:00

Gendertrender is gone. FUCK. Sad

SirVixofVixHall · 16/11/2018 20:01

The first time I thought “hang on” was when I started to use twitter. I was on a thread, debating, then someone said the “transwomen are women” thing and I replied to the contrary. . It had never occurred to me that anyone thought that a transgender person literally became a woman, thus effacing what it means to be an actual woman. That leading into the erosion of women’s single sex space. I am a survivor of male violence. I have two daughters. I value the space that is just for women as all other space is men’s space. I could not use mixed sex loos or changing rooms, and I don’t want my daughters using them .
So then along came Top Shop Travis, who made me rage.
Then this. Then I was done. I care about women and girls safety far more than I care about any man’s feelings.

Writing from Twitter prison!
littlbrowndog · 16/11/2018 20:08

Ok one thing which am am going to complain about
Bbc Scotland news at 6: 30 was doing a piece on the new education in Scottish schools about lbqtia something or other
Then am sure the presenter said that babies were assigned a sex or gender at birth.
On national tv
So th3 midwives just randomly assign a sex !!
Will rewatch it on catch up
They apologised to salmond last night for their mis reporting I guess cos he has shit hot lawyers

Nocado · 16/11/2018 20:08

I first realised there was a problem when I twigged the BBC dishonestly reported crimes by transwomen eg Tara Hudson and Lauren Jeska. When I came across the abuse Germaine Greer was getting and saw the scale of women being terrorised by TRAs it outraged and frightened me.

Thank goodness for brave women and decent men like you who have exposed this sinister movement which has achieved so much operating under the radar. I can still scarcely believe that it has got so far already.

ChewyLouie · 16/11/2018 20:11

Finally delurking after a considerable number of years to say thank you Glinner 😁👍🏽and to JB too. Off to join Twitter and raise the issue of your ban.

Threewheeler1 · 16/11/2018 20:11

SirVix
God that's a grim tweet.

It's all of it isn't it? Once you start noticing you see it everywhere, the fucking sense of entitlement to our words, spaces, protections, how we describe our sexual orientation, relationships, just everything.

Ditto66 · 16/11/2018 20:15

Glinner I've been following you on Twitter since gamergate - which you singularly put light on as a mysogynistic, alt-right seed bed. And what ugly plants have grown out of it! It was also you that put me onto the TRA issue and even pointed me to Mumsnet.

Peak trans for me was the Challenors and Green Party. Just had a green councillor at the door today and told them I could never support them after that.

You are a brave man and you're making a difference. But take care of yourself too. 

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 16/11/2018 20:15

Lily Madigan elected as a 'Woman's Officer' was my wtaf moment

Glinner and Jonny Best - Wow! Star

Thank you for everything you do, both of you - the speaking out, the constant flack, the legal stuff, the wonderful clear writing and Stonewall petition (that it came from you Jonny, given your history with Stonewall and campaigning for gay rights really made people stop and think)

And for constantly confirming that it's not just us, the angry wimmin, shouting into the void at the Alice and Wonderland craziness confronting us

BlytheSpiritsSpirit · 16/11/2018 20:18

The moment I knew I couldn't turn back was when I read an article about teen girls and ROGD. My dd fit every single criteria and I made it my mission to educate her on feminism and to be gender critical. I'd already raised my children to play with whatever toys, wear whatever clothes, etc, but we've had some deep and difficult conversations since that article.

She's 15 now and frequents the radfem corner of Tumblr. We trade war stories (my battleground is Twitter) and we go to feminist meetings together. She wants trans people to live their lives in peace, but she won't give up women's rights in the process.

BesmirchingMotherhood · 16/11/2018 20:19

My peak transing happened in slo-mo via this radicalisation portal - like many I scrolled past all the trans threads rolling my eyes, then in a moment of boredom/curiosity I read one and had the ‘but what does feeling like a woman even mean’ moment, then I read some more, then Posie got banned the first time round (several years back now) so I saw the silencing in action. And that’s how I was peak transed.

(Father Dougal walking out the wrong side of an open door is my favourite two seconds of tv ever.)

PutYourShirtOnMartin · 16/11/2018 20:20

Hi Glinner - I wondered where you had gone!

I was an ally. I had been conditioned to accept everything and as my family are diverse and gender non conforming it seemed to be what I should be. Then Jenner happened

And they said the most difficult thing about being a woman was deciding what to wear

And that made me think .. ah no that's bollocks. Woman is more than a frock....hell fire I am a woman and I don't bloody own one.

After that I just read more and realized how this started to affect women and girls.

I can't tell my family about this. My husband knows and he is on our side too. I can't tell my daughter - she is a lesbian but is so well indoctrinated I can't even use SEX in any conversation.

Anyway enjoy your twitter jail...I will send you a cake with a file in it. It has cocaine in it...ah no sorry it's raisins...

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 16/11/2018 20:20

“Telling the truth is always revolutionary.”

Antonio Gramsci - Prison Notebooks

BesmirchingMotherhood · 16/11/2018 20:21

nocado, you win The Glinner Thread for your name. 😀🏆🥇

ProfessionalBarren · 16/11/2018 20:25

Bloody Mumsnet made me realise something was wrong (as I’ve said here before, life was easier before I saw the emperor was naked). I’m not even a mum (username checks out) but came here for advice from fellow barrens. And saw all these threads and thought ‘Hmmm, weird these seemingly decent, intelligent women are so het up about something that’s so clearly liberal and ‘good’’.

So I read some threads and followed some links people had posted until I got to Magdalen Berns on YouTube and the cotton ceiling and Riley fucking Dennis. And my brain exploded and my heart broke for lesbians. And then I read about mermaids and transing children and my heart broke for the gender non-conforming kids. And everything since, sport, prisons, girl guides. I peak trans at least once a week.

littlbrowndog · 16/11/2018 20:25

Right complaint made to bbc.
They can’t go gaslighting a nation on national news
Assigned at birth
Wankers the bbc

Vango · 16/11/2018 20:26

Wow. Graham Linehan and Jonny Best!

My ears we’re first properly pricked when Jenny Murray wrote her Times article. Prior to that I guess I hadn’t really given the issue a great deal of thought. I started paying properly close attention by the time Lily Madigan lodged their complaint against Anne Ruzylo.

Nowadays I’m on a mission to make sure every parent I meet makes it their business to find out which groups are advising/training our children’s teachers, and what changes are being implemented, under the guise of ‘inclusion’, without our knowledge.

buzzkill · 16/11/2018 20:26

Hi Glinner, I follow you on Twitter. I've been increasingly learning about TRAs here having formerly been fiercely for all LGBT rights.

This was something that a GC feminist posted on Twitter around the time I started following it all more closely - I was wondering if you (or any others on this thread) would be surprised to read this article and have any ideas why it's not been (as far as I know) denounced as totally transphobic etc etc? The victims are male. This may be a relevant factor...

news.sky.com/story/man-duped-straight-men-into-sex-by-claiming-to-be-a-woman-11518600

Threewheeler1 · 16/11/2018 20:27

Yep Lily M.
And Munroe Bergdorf telling us How To Be A Woman...right, well cheers for that.
And all the fucking 'no platforming'.

The worst aspect is the fact that the evidence of self-id being a shitty idea is all around us, but is actively ignored and twisted.
Convicted rapists in the female prison estate, raping, isn't a surprise to those of us who see that they're still a predatory man with a dick, despite the lipstick. The shock is that we think so little of vulnerable women that we'd shove a rapist in with them so that he can feel better.

FourRustedHorses · 16/11/2018 20:29

I have been an active twitter user since 2009 ish and met my then friend through twitter. we met up in real life and everything was great until she discovered tumbler.

I washy fully aware of everything going on (I'm a carer so mind was on other things) but noticed changes in her. She spent more and more time on tumblr than twitter. I remember showing her terfisaslur.com and she just said along the lines of this 'well terfs are nasty and there was this thing lesbians said about the cotton ceiling and they were just being c*nts' that was around 2015 ish.

So i dug in some more and asked her questions about it because I was very much clueless at the time. I remember asking her about sexual orientations and why would a male who has transitioned claim to be a lesbian etc when thats just not true. She told me I was wrong even after I pointed out that sexual orientation is based on sex not identity and recording sexual orientation incorrectly means that sexual health resources wouldn't be channeled to the right groups. Lesbians are at lower risk of infections and some cancers. she agreed but told me I was wrong again.

I then went back with a US clinic leaflet that described the vagina as a front hole and asked about it. I remember telling her that if anyone has to rename body parts to stop distress then its a major mental health condition. She told me again I was wrong but didn't explain why.

she brought up sexual orientation again about her trans friend. Female but transitioned to male and how them saying they were a heterosexual male made the world 'better'.

I questioned and pointed out the kind of disassociation with ones body is often a sign of mental distress and serious trauma. She confessed the trans friend had been raped by a man despite saying they were a lesbian and suffered other sexual violence. I pointed out that perhaps her friend really needed help to deal with complex trauma not a cocktail of medicines that won't treat the underlying causes.

She ranted at me that apparently trans people offend me. (they dont) It was her complete inability to debate or question this stance - when we have debated and disagreed and questioned everything from our differing views on politics, feminism, sexism, the best foods to eat (and the worst) and ways to deal with everyday issues.

Tumblr radicalised her. Turned her from an average person dealing with life to very nervous person who believed they were autistic, non binary, with complex trauma, an eating disorder, depression etc and trying a myriad of unhealthy ways to fix all of the above despite never seeing a doctor for any of them. The only thing I agree with is the eating disorder, she developed a very unhealthy relationship with food probably down to the increasing number of 'clean eating' blogs she was reblogging and sharing. the number of labels that followed over the 2-3 years she was on tumblr (still is I believe) changed her in so many damaging ways. The person I knew is a very very different person now.

Mumsnet radicalised me but these ladies here understood my concerns and actually offered the time to debate and disagree with me, educate me and help me figure out my position when my friend refused. For her it was this is right or we aren't friends.

she 'broke up' with me via a tumblr blog.

DuggeesWooOOooggle · 16/11/2018 20:29

Welcome Glinner, this is all very exciting! I'm not on Twitter and I can't say I want to be. Another huge fan of Father Ted in all its mad glory. Never fails to cheer me up.

I remember a thread on here a while back (18 months?) about some chap who called himself Katie or something like that and was trying to sell very expensive tickets to a 'women's orgasm workshop' he was running which was basically going to involve women wanking each other off with him 'facilitating'. He wouldn't allow men in of course, despite being an obvious penis owner. It was all so sordid and clearly playing into a fantasy of his. I can't remember what happened, whether or not it went ahead. It would probably be welcomed now.

After that I just kept reading and hearing the voice of reason here. Keep it up everyone. I too would dearly love to know if there is an investigative journo doing a piece on this. Panorama should be having a field day with it, especially the medicalisation and sterilisation of children and breaking down of safeguarding.

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 16/11/2018 20:30

Blythespiritsspirit - if I've proved to be half the
Mum you clearly are by time my DD is 15, I will be proud. Your story and the lengths that parents will go to to protect their kids is also why ultimately the ideology will fail.

buzzkill · 16/11/2018 20:32

I've also been reading about Pure OCD or P-OCD which can often make people question their identity/sexuality/gender etc and I wonder if this is partly a reason for the growth in trans id'd people?

QuamderGollom · 16/11/2018 20:32

That’s really kewl, I heard that when the current ban ends you will be getting another one for 24 hours, so not to worry

TrashyTerf · 16/11/2018 20:32

@Glinner

Is it true that loads of famous people are worried, but too scared to speak out? You shouldn't name names obviously, I'm just curious! (Presuming you have some sleb mates!)

TrashyTerf · 16/11/2018 20:33

Also, any update on your cancer? I'm so glad that you recovered so fast! 

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