Writing from Twitter prison!

[Glinner]

I've received a twelve-hour ban from Twitter so I thought I'd take the chance to say hello lovely mumsnetters! Thank you for all the support and kind words and very proud to be on your side.

I'm not deleting the tweets because I stand by them and there's nothing offensive about them. See for thyself, fellow witches!

Welcome Glinner

Thanks to you and Johnny and all the other GC men on twitter. We need (sadly) men to speak up, so thank you.

Glinner, welcome! Hope you stick around.

Not RTFT but just coming on to selflessly offer you more material then you could ever want for what I hope will be your next comedy venture, about gender stereotypes.
Go on!

At my workplace we share our unadapted Ladies’ toilets and showers with male-bodied colleagues if they feel they are women.

No idea if this is a GRC status or not- legally nobody can ask. Tbh I am too scared of the consequences to even talk to most of my female colleagues about it and clearly our HR dept is too.

We’ve stopped using the showers, which rules out cycling to work, and it is humiliating sharing toilet and washing space with male-bodied-adults.

It’s obvious that we don’t feel comfortable- I jump out of my skin every time I am at the sinks and see a big man in the mirror looming out from the cubicles behind me and then I stress about if an apology is the right thing or not. (Sorry MN guidelines to say ‘man’ here but please cut me some slack for context).

Like a lot of us on here I am in fear for my professional reputation/job if I kick up a fuss.

But I can definitely still see the comedy in the double standards of womaning at work in this situation: Male socialisation in meetings. Inappropriate hugs. Make up tips. The ‘describe the male-bodied-adult colleague without referring to their obvious characteristics’ dance. Completely fucking off our professional dress code. There is gold

Anyway, I really hope you do this!

PS, I always refer people to this thread if they don’t have first-hand of what goes on in the Ladies’...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3203454-What-do-you-use-the-womens-toilets-for

Chatty showers in my workplace is the one day-to-day thing I think about. Fortunately at the moment my lovely trans colleague is a middle aged person who (a) isn't sporty and (b) comes across as the sort of old school transsexual who is very respectful of women's spaces, but there's no guarantee we won't get a very woke gender fluid be-penised individual interested in pushing boundaries to prove a point at some stage in the future.

The IOC saying that trans women were women is what peaked me. That is the end of women's sport. Women with heart attacks are more likely to die than men. Women need to move, we need role models. The IOC have stolen role models from women, and that is an abomination.

We can't beat anyone who went through male puberty and it is a lie to say that the literal playing field is equal. It is a lie, and not a very good one.

Then came along Tara Hudson. I was roundly bolloxed by friends because I refused to sign the petition to allow that person to be admitted to a female jail. And, THEN I heard the Lovely Tara on the Jeremy Vine show. What an absolute arsehole, sounded like every abusive man there has ever been.

I occasionally work with transpeople, I work in healthcare. I am well educated on trans issues because of this. I am no psychiatrist, but, I disagree with Theresa May when she says that being trans is not a psychiatric illness. Well, perhaps it is not, and only that the people who have these convictions have a startling array of comorbidities. They are all deeply troubled people, every single one that I have worked with is in dire need of psychological support. And, I think that many of them have found the support they need in a community of people who feed their mutual delusions. Like a cult, but, with political clout.

Thank you for what you are doing, not just on this, but, on abortion rights. Your wife found a right smasher and I hope you are both managing the fall out from these principled stands. Keep well too, please.

Chatty, I totally appreciate that you may not feel able to challenge but, even if the TW has a GRC, the Equality Act allows your employer to segregate showers by biological sex - more info here

It is annoying to have to make a case based on religious/racial rights, rather than women's rights, but could you ask HR about the effect on any colleagues who come from cultures that don't allow mixing of the sexes (Muslims, Orthodox Jews, some Christian sects)?

Re showers at work /changing rooms for cycling in, maybe get them to run survey/ stats now on the number of people who cycle to work. Then, once the new woke person arrives at work, see the women's cycling to work stats fall off the cliff. And ask why.

Thank you Glinner

Exactly Igneococcus
I was a midwife for twenty years. Funny how all those babies were born to people with vaginas, not one single penis haver. And apart from a couple of obvious birth defects every single baby was very obviously either male or female. No we didn't toss a coin and assign a sex.
When I first read about recommendations for gender neutral language coming from our learned medical colleagues I was furious but thought no one will go along with that shit. Now here we are. Being told our understanding of the human body is all wrong. Being dictated to regarding the language we use. Insulting women everywhere. Then I started reading about women's sport being taken over by men.
I care about truth, biology, women, babies (chestfeeding men = child abuse), child and teenage health, being able to teach safe sex, relationships and contraception sensibly in schools - look at Canada, Planned Parenthood claiming how they teach this without mentioning the words male and female.
And can someone explain how it used to be an insult to suggest women's brainpower was any different to men's, women are just as capable of achieving at STEM as men, and now suddenly we are being told about boy brains and girl brains, and getting the wrong one in the wrong body. What a pile of dogshit.

Anatomy isn't male or female. It just is.

The concept of male and female is derived from anatomy. This isn't just in humans but in all species. Human social stereotypes arise after that anatomical division has been identified.

I'm coming to think some people have a craving for irrational, mystical thought and this is the latest manifestation.

I'm coming to think some people have a craving for irrational, mystical thought and this is the latest manifestation.

You're not wrong there. We are regressing to the point where elite institutions and the liberal academy do not know how babies are made.

What do these people think sex is for, FFS?

[What do these people think sex is for, FFS?]

ooohh!!!! Ooooooo! MIIIIIIIISSSSSS! Pick me!! Pick Me!!! It's so men can cum miss!!!!

Today. In your honour it will become Father Ted day in our house and I'll make the teens watch back to back episodes. Part of their education.

😍

Women are being forced to shower with male-bodied people and are in fear of losing their jobs if they protest . And MN is censoring women who complain

Just coming on to fangirl

I love the episodes of Black Books where Fran is having piano lessons. Utterly ridiculous! You obviously have a great sense of how far people are prepared to go with daft, illogical ideas (and the skill to make it into something great).

KOKOx

Thanks Glinner for making a stand.

The Labour Party and All Women Shortlists.

Some people on a local Labour Party Facebook group were laying into Caroline Flint for having made some tentative comments about trans women and changing rooms. I said, fairly neutrally, I thought she might have a point (I genuinely hadn't given much thought to the issue). I was quickly and forcefully told there was #nodebate and that it was transphobic and bigoted to think anything other than #transwomen are women. I asked, in all seriousness, whether they really believed that a hypothetical successful career man in his 50s, who one day self identified as a woman, should be able to stand on an all woman shortlist. I was told Yes: that they had, of course, always been a woman. A woke middle class teenage girl in the Facebook group told me that I was a bigot and had probably always been a bigot.

I went straight to Jennifer James' crowdfunder to make a contribution. So here I am almost 12 months later: peak transing daily; a self-identified radical feminist (who knew?); grateful for female solidarity and for male allies (I've been lurking here and met up with feminists in real life); and someone who now actually writes emails and letters of complaint instead of hoping that other people will do it. Oh, and an ex-Labour Party member.

I am, however, genuinely worried for women and girls (and boys) in a way I have never been before; have been stunned by the misogyny displayed by lefty dude bros; have lost confidence in politicians and the political class/media; and feel politically homeless. Which is all a bit shit. On the upside, the women here have made me laugh out loud.

Thank you for the link XX I really appreciate it.

As FWR posters show, the fear felt by women of losing our jobs and/or future employability due to loss of professional reputation is absolutely endemic:

In academia, healthcare and health services planning, schools and higher education, housing and in charities and government and some parts of the media.

It’s nightmarish. And being perpetuated by useful idiots who aren’t personally affected by this. They genuinely think they are getting on the right side of history.

A welcome surprise
Say hello to the "radicalisation portal" that is,well,women talking xx
Joan

@Glinner a very big welcome and heartfelt thanks to you 💓

My peak was a beardy, very left wing, Facebook friend attacking Jenni Murray. For saying there was a biological difference between transwomen and women.

The hate that poured from him towards her. And his friends joined in. Opinions on her age, her looks, character assassination.

Yet when Lord Digby Jones said the very same thing recently.... not a squeak.

Makes me laugh that steph h retweeted digby Jones just days after he said men can't become women.

The hypocrisy. It burns.

I'd love to get you all round a table with one of these fucking beard bros and hear him try to lecture you on who is and isn't a woman.

Me too, but they wouldn't do it. In my experience, the wokebloke cheerleaders are generally much braver online than face to face. In person, it's harder for them to dodge difficult questions. Online, I think it's easier for them to hide from the fact that they are trying to bully and silence women in favour of biological males - that they are just a woke varient of the TRAs or the lower-key, traditional sexist wankers who think women should shut up and get on with cooking dinner while men do the talking. Obviously, they can't admit to themselves that they are just a craft beer-drinking variant of their fathers because that would be devastating.

I was wondering earlier what the correlation is between the wokebloke cheerleaders and the momentum bros who want to deselect any MP or councillor who doesn't admit that Jeremy Corbyn is actually the messiah (in my experience the correlation is 100%). Both positions offer the irresistable combination of political virtue and endless opportunities for bullying.

My peak was the placing of self identified transwomen in with female psych patients who were scared of men, then calling the women transphobes.

Women’s spots carried on that peak.

Then a child who was given positive affirmation, when it turned out she wanted to transition to try and stop her dad raping her.

Gay, lesbian and autistic youth being sterilised by “progressive” treatments horrifies and sickens me.

I draw to stay sane.

Sports, not spots.
I’m not spottywomenphobic 😁

Sandy! LOL!

my #peaktrans went like this:

• errrr but? Years ago the 'first man to get pregnant' was plastered all over the tabloids - but it's a woman - short hair & a beard don't make you a bloke & if you are pregnant then you are absolutely 100% female

then

• something's not right here. The language 'living as a woman' 'feels like a woman' it is absolutely meaningless, nothing real can be founded on such nonsense.

then

• I don't like this. The obsession with gender roles is so regressive, I thought we were moving past that - obviously not. The woman face costumes - porn doll, little girl, middle aged housewife ... then I found out about AGP & they started to make horrible sense.

then

• gloves off. The girl dick, a clit on a stick, men saying they are lesbians, the cotton ceiling. That was it, I have a lesbian daughter & I don't think I've ever felt so angry.

Everyone is peaked by something different. For my mum it was Karen White, MIL was horrified by that ITV thing (Butterfly?), for my dad it was sport - Rachel McKinnon, dh was finally peaked by the Goldsmith Gulag & LM (he was generally gender critical but very much 'not my lane'). It was actually #nodebate that moved dd from her lets all be nice to questioning - and once you start to question it all falls apart.

We have a trans family member & dd has trans friends - every single one of them would fit into the ROGD mould. It is horrendous. DH & I are so so so careful about what our younger kids are exposed to now - imagine if schools were pushing pro-ana propaganda because that's what they are doing with trans ideology.

Love that, Sandy!