Writing from Twitter prison!

[Glinner]

I've received a twelve-hour ban from Twitter so I thought I'd take the chance to say hello lovely mumsnetters! Thank you for all the support and kind words and very proud to be on your side.

I'm not deleting the tweets because I stand by them and there's nothing offensive about them. See for thyself, fellow witches!

Nobody here likes your contributions either, spannablue. Not sure why you are here tbh?

I've also been reading about Pure OCD or P-OCD which can often make people question their identity/sexuality/gender etc and I wonder if this is partly a reason for the growth in trans id'd people?

I have some knowledge of this disorder and I’d say no. The thoughts you have when you suffer from pure O OCD are what’s called ego dystonic - they distress you and you know they are false. People with pure O don’t act on their thoughts.

Gender dysphoria is probably a dysphoric origin - like anorexia. The nature of the dysphoria will manifest itself differently depending on the prevailing zeitgeist. We are seeing those who work in schools saying that a lot of the kids who fifteen years ago would have been cutting or anorexic now identifying as trans.

The reasons for the rise in cases is something that needs serious research. I sispectvit will vary by age and sex. I suspect genuine cases of genuine dysphoria wont change much in incidence.

The huge rise in young women presenting at gender clinics is in my view a combination of things, not least of which is the horribly sexualised culture they grow up in. The paraphilic element is vastly more common in men.

Derail, sorry.

"Not everyone here likes your 'contributions' Glinner"

Most seem to, so ta-ra.

Ha, I am amused. spannablue pops on to tell us what we're 'allowed' to do.

I think I never really believed transwomen are women and have always felt it's more like blacking up. As long as it wasn't affecting my life I just thought of them as screwed up blokes not doing me any harm.
It was Labour and self ID shortlists, Madigan and Madigans obvious distain and dislike of women despite being bizarrely elected woman's officer and self ID and realising how many transwomen kept their penises despite claiming to be women. And the cis crap. It all became surreal and menacing and threatening to women very quickly and it is frustrating no political party sees through the nonsense.
Plus the threat to women's sport in having males start to win medals and gloating about it whilst pissed off female competitors get chastised.
I'm more mystified as to how anyone who isn't a TRA thinks any of this is a good idea.
Also no TRAs seem to focus on what they actually can't do as a man that they could do as a woman (apart from win women's medals when you were a mediocre athlete as a man). It's all very appearance focussed and superficial much like the poster's friend's son discussed above

NightmareDaemon I hadn't seen that New Yorker article - thank you for linking it.

(Binglebong, I will magnaminously allow your dog to be second most beautiful).

Evening spanna

Have you decided if we are an irrelevant echo chamber or the army of darkness yet? Can’t be both. Either we are an irrelevant echo chamber talking to ourselves or we are the greatest threat to blah blah wine blah wotsit in the world.

Which is it again?

Have some cake and put an episode of father ted on.

I'd love to get you all round a table with one of these fucking beard bros and hear him try to lecture you on who is and isn't a woman.

Not a beard bro OP but this recent thread is a doozy. Read and enjoy!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3422033-That-its-not-just-what-you-say-its-also-how-much-you-talk-about-it

Not everyone here likes your 'contributions' Glinner

Yes, but you don't like anybody's contributions if they don't a) agree with you and b) genuflect to the cult, do you dear?

Glinner - meet Spanna. You'll get along wonderfully, I'm sure!

I used to be a useful little ally and even came on here talking about cis privilege...

Then I went to the wokest uni ever to do a degree (I'm in my 40s). And in the SU were two loos - men's and unisex. And I started to question the ideology.

What tipped me over was the cotton ceiling. Rapey men demanding women capitulate to sex.

Sadly my teenage niece now identifies as trans and I'm concerned that she'll make irreversible changes to her body that she'll regret.

Great to see you here Graham and Jonny

I'm selfishly hoping that you do get banned from Twitter as it might mean that you'll spend more time here! 

In the spirit of Mumsnet, what's your favorite biscuit?

My peak trans was the Iranian Women's Football team.

Eight of whom were male.

But hey it never happens, right?

Have you decided if we are an irrelevant echo chamber or the army of darkness yet?

I'm the former on Mondays and the latter on Tuesdays. Wednesday to Saturday I am too busy being saggy-titted to make up my mind. TERF-fluid, me, dontchaknow.

(On Sundays I do the Weetabix and banana thing, thereby pissing off everybody.)

Ooh my first ever deletion message- I have popped my cherry

I still stand by my funsponge police statement

I have only just emerged from small-child-imposed news purgatory. I vaguely noticed people up in arms about female anatomy being ised to represent women and wondered wtf was going on, but it wasn't until a fridnd started ranting abour the Challenors and i started reading up that i realised the world had gone to hell in a handcart even more than Brexit and Trump already had me believing - only this insanity didn't seem to be popping up on facebook or the media like the other two.
I trundled back into MN and am still trying to get to grips with what all is going on.
Am still climbing that peak!

And Glinner - thanks for writing stuff that is funny enough to make DH laugh even when having a MH crisis. Invaluable.

Can I just say thank you for the salt n pepa video. In these dark times its always good to have a dance.

I learned about the importance of not having sex with just anyone in primary school from them (although at that age there was no chance)

Word age! I wad at primary school when I heard the songs ( face palm)

This place should be for more than one kind of feminist

It is!

Hi Glinner and Jonny.

I follow you both under my real name on Twitter. You piped up in my defence only yesterday Glinner. Thank you!

I was late to this. I felt trans got fashionable when famous men did it - Jenner was a turning point when everyone decided it make them look good to be really positive about it. But I still thought that was just about them and their life decisions. It was when I started seeing complaints on Twitter about Sophie Walker and the WEP accepting that TW are W. I just thought that was crazy. It made me pay much more attention. Since then it’s got madder and madder. I have a male bi friend I’m really struggling to stay friends with because he just sees trans issues as like his own - a need for social acceptance. He’s really smart - top of his class at a top university. But he doesn’t seem to see or hear any of the concerns and still says people are saying all trans people are a threat to woman. I guess it shows how ideology blinds people.

For that reason I am trying to understand the other side. I do see that for some people it’s hard and confusing. But I think mermaids are evil.

The bit that most puzzles me is this: why can’t people see that it is so regressive in terms of gender stereotypes? Bergdorf for gods sake? One for the Catholics and ex-Catholics coming up: the people who think they’re being so broad-minded by being positive about those ott MtF like Bergdorf are a bit like the liberal Catholics who welcome married Anglican priests who convert, and are then married Catholic priests. They fail to see that the ex-Anglicans are not liberal at all; they’ve converted because CofE was too liberal, allowing women priests then bishops.

As everyone else has said - we need men like you (that’s you plural; youse) so thank you and ignore the idiots.

wrongside - hang on a motherfuckery minute - the menz got to keep their same sex toileting and women got stuck with the unisex option only. FFS.

Welcome!

Glinner! Jonny! Thank you both so much.

I think what first opened my eyes was when I saw a Crimewatch report a few years back about Lisa (aka Craig) Hauxwell. The voiceover said that 'she may be living as a man' but the accompanying video was clearly of a male person and I was surprised about the language used.

Then in Spring this year I saw a thread on here in Active convos about how Swim England wanted to encourage more transgendered people to swim, and that trans people should use the changing room they felt best matched their gender identity. This, they stated, meant that male genitals might be on show in the women's changing rooms and that was fine and if centre users complained they needed educating to be more inclusive. I think I am right in saying that this was the driver fro Man Friday. I was drawn to the FWR boards by that and have stayed ever since.

I have been slowly spreading the word in real life, and people are always incredulous and I'm not sure they fully believe me about what is happening. I think we probably all start as 'live and let live' and then the demands get more and more outrageous and intrusive and there comes a point of 'hang on a minute!' What has really disturbed me is the push to access ever younger children and potentially send them down a medical path. Whereas the middle aged AGP types are pushing for a declaration of womanly essence to be sufficient, no bodily modifications required.

I'll add my voice to those saying they love your work (Big Train Office Prankster and IT Crowd Work Outing being personal favourites) and add my thanks to you both for being visible in this no debate

hang on a motherfuckery minute - the menz got to keep their same sex toileting and women got stuck with the unisex option only. FFS.

1MillionSelfiesTakenByMyKids
You might be interested in the happenings at NUS Trans Conference 2018 earlier this year, this designation of the women's loo was tried there unofficially (at a hotel) and then occupied when BorderForce Conference delegates objected and removed their sign.
Its a good OP:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237230-NUS-Conference-breaks-down-after-the-UK-Border-Force-Arrive