Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women's Place event in Reading - 4th Dec

159 replies

ContessaHallelujahSparklehorse · 16/11/2018 08:55

It's local to me so I'm delighted!!

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-at-the-bar-tickets-52641760924?utm-medium=discovery&utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&aff=escb&utm-source=cp&utm-term=listing

OP posts:
liquidrevolution · 04/12/2018 23:04

On another note I had the YMCA song in my head all the way home and will probably be an earworm for the forseeable because the chanting reminded me of the we want you, we want you bit. Its taken a cup of tea and a slice of toast to work that out.

iwantmybedroomback · 04/12/2018 23:06

@Anlaf I'm not disputing any of that, I don't see the point of the event being private to avoid protestors and then letting it slip anyway. Why not just make the event public if that's the case. Or, maybe, just be a bit more careful what you talk about online to save the drama that happened tonight.

ContessaHallelujahSparklehorse · 04/12/2018 23:08

What drama? Confused

OP posts:
GlomOfNit · 04/12/2018 23:13

Great evening! It's my old university, so a bit dismaying to see clearly obviously student protesters there. Ah well, it's no longer the 1990's.

As I left with my friend, we were weakly boo'd and told 'waste of an evening'.

No mate. I was inside in the dry. YOU were outside in the piddling rain for two hours. I rather think it was not my evening that was wasted.

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 23:22

I understand the irritation with why aren't you better undercover agents

But we're being required to behave in such a bizarre way - keeping our presence at an interesting women's meeting secret from our real names on the Internet, hiding the venue til the last minute, using pseudonyms mumsnet names! when we meet, even being slightly suspicious of the other women to start with. It's like living in a totalitarian state and few of us know how to navigate that. Why the fuck should we learn how to navigate that?

WPUK security measures are important and necessary but it's not normal for liberal democracy.

Anyway, I got the train back to London with some excellent women who said FUCK a lot Wine

KayM2 · 04/12/2018 23:25

I didn't stay all the time, so missed the protesters; there was a small group animatedly talking outside the pub just to the left, and I wondered if they were up to something.

Good to get there, anyway. My issue is anxiety in public places, and stuff like the microphone not working and the banner not sticking to the screen , plus starting late, made me too twitchy to sit there and stay. Which is pathetic. Another time perhaps.

Sorry about the protesters; I hope the idiots did not spoil the evening.

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 23:34

As a former full-on-doomy-anxiety-twitcher I fink you did brilliantly Kay, we'll done you for braving it. And we can all watch online. And next time!

I did feel my eye drawn to the burger and chips which arrived for the speakers as the banner was being prodded, and which sadly chilled to one side.

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 23:34

*well

KayM2 · 04/12/2018 23:47

There was a woman sitting next to me with a plate of fat juicy chips..... it was torture smelling them.

WSPU · 04/12/2018 23:47

It was brilliant; so informative, respectful and good fun too. Venue was great, good food even and fantastic speakers. Thanks to all the organisers and a special hello to all the mumsnetters I met.

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 23:53

Oh lads (this plus a lass that'd joined the massed bandits was what we faced leaving the venue)

mobile.twitter.com/UoR_CAS/status/1070041195412422656

Women's Place event in Reading - 4th Dec
heresyandwitchcraft · 05/12/2018 01:16

Massive thanks to WPUK, the phenomenal speakers, the venue, and the lovely attendees. Flowers

rightreckoner · 05/12/2018 07:18

Nice comments on that anarchist thread.

Fair warms the cockles it does. Smile

KayM2 · 05/12/2018 07:42

That group is a danger to no-one but Communists and Anarchists.

GreenHats · 05/12/2018 08:40

I reported their twitter profile text to twitter as containing hateful words.

AncientLights · 05/12/2018 08:48

I hope the protestors' grammar might have improved before the next tweet - 'there wasn't any protestors'. No dear, protestors is plural so needs a plural verb: there weren't any protestors. Do they do remedial English at Reading uni?

applepineapple · 05/12/2018 08:53

Thanks Contessa. Will PM you now

ShotsFired · 05/12/2018 09:01

They don't seem to worry much about transmen. How unusual.

Girl Scout makes some very pertinent observations on their tweet (oh christ look at them with their little Russian bio - such anarchy!):

@GirlScout27
В отговор до @UoR_CAS @181UK
Anarchy would be admitting that feminine males are still males, that would really require 'the MAN' to concede something. Instead I bet you all take the clothes you are wearing here for you mum to wash when you go home for the Christmas holidays. Pathetic.

@GirlScout27
В отговор до @UoR_CAS @181UK
Posh boys, you know, this behaviour is a red flag that you'll go on to be a domestic violence perpetrator when you're older? Nothing anarchist about it, you are ENTIRELY CONFORMING to capitalism's socialisation of boys and men, you are utterly middle of the road conformers.

Ereshkigal · 05/12/2018 09:16

Please show support for Rosa

Shocking bullying of gender critical law professor (Rosa Freedman)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3443107-Shocking-bullying-of-gender-critical-law-professor-Rosa-Freedman

heresyandwitchcraft · 05/12/2018 09:25

LOL at the protestors. Choice quotes:
"Shame" (proper Game of Thrones!) and "You're the UKIP of gender"
Really had to try SO hard not to start howling with laughter.

Comparing the nature of trans activist protests with women's protests is interesting to me.

So when women met for Linda and Venice, the banners were pointed outwards, aimed at onlookers. Date and time were clearly communicated. The protest was not intended to intimidate the people in the court or the complainant, just raise awareness and show support. Women made sure there was ample space for easy access to and from the building. Nobody covered their face, there were kids running around, there was the chatter of women talking but it was otherwise pretty quiet.

Women for women. Peaceful and pleasant.

Contrast this with transactivists... They spent ages hunting down the women who had the temerity to meet about law and human rights, featuring very esteemed speakers. Trans activists deliberately placed themselves right by the entrance, held the banners towards the venue specifically, it appears, to harass women leaving. They shouted, banged the door, and seemed to want to barge in to disrupt proceedings? All of them were masked, as far as I could tell. And then they decide to post a photo on Twitter with their faces blurred out in order to prove that they were there... so that other women don't get any ideas that we live in a democracy and have freedom of conscience, speech and assembly to calmly discuss the law of the country...............

Transactivists protesting has a whole different flavour. It was hostile, felt designed to control and intimidate the women in the meeting. It felt like... well... male rage, if I'm honest.

I've said this a million times: when your "enemy" is predominantly ordinary women of all sorts (lesbians, feminists, mothers, sometimes all these and more wrapped up in one package!), then something has gone horribly wrong in your thinking.

Ereshkigal · 05/12/2018 09:29

"You're the UKIP of gender"

PMSL on the train Grin

LangCleg · 05/12/2018 09:39

Posh boys, you know, this behaviour is a red flag that you'll go on to be a domestic violence perpetrator when you're older? Nothing anarchist about it, you are ENTIRELY CONFORMING to capitalism's socialisation of boys and men, you are utterly middle of the road conformers.

Girlscout so on the money with that. Here, woman-protesting, MN-stalking, sexist arseholes - look at this picture. That's you, that is.

Women's Place event in Reading - 4th Dec
R0wantrees · 05/12/2018 11:26

Re Ereshkigal's post above.

Prof Freedman Twitter comment from last night:
THREAD: The excellent @ WomansPlaceUK have put on many meetings in the last year to discuss women’s rights, and tonight I had the great privilege of speaking at one of those meetings. We discussed the law relating to sex & to gender identity. In many ways it was uplifting to be

part of that meeting. I am a Professor of Law, tenured, protected in terms of being able to speak in a respectful manner based on specific evidence, and supported to undertake research on topical and timely issues. That has not protected me from the harassment & abuse dished out

by the transactivist lobby. This week I picked up my post & received three more hard copy letters (separate to the daily emails I now receive) from staff and students at universities in the UK and beyond who are scared to express their views for fear of stigmatisation. This week

I found my office door covered in urine, including some that had seeped under the door, and I spent time cleaning it up because I could not bear the smell or the shame of what had happened. Last week I discovered criminal damage explicitly encouraging me to leave the University

because of my views that a woman is defined by law as biological not psychological. I have been attacked and vilified personally and professionally on social media by a senior Professor at another University who keeps threatening me with action (legal and/or re my employer), and

have had my reputation spuriously and perniciously smeared by the local LGBT charity who seems to have provided the University with wrongful advice on the trans policy (thankfully it can and ought to be changed) and academics spearheaded by @ natachakennedy at Goldsmiths (an

institution that is not a leading light on women's rights). Tonight I met other academics who are being harassed in their workplace for setting out views based on specific evidence (i.e. doing their jobs). We all go to work to do our jobs -- and we are pretty damn good at doing

the research, educating, & administration that comes with the job -- yet we are being demonised, harassed, and targeted for expressing opinions based on the expertise for which we were hired and for why we are revered. This evening I was followed by students on campus, and ended

up hiding behind trees because I was scared for my physical safety. I have been open about being a survivor of sexual violence, despite which young male-bodied persons have seen fit to abuse me verbally about rape or to follow me in the dark into secluded spaces. It is now 3.30am

and someone / some people are continuously calling my phone from an anonymous number, & when I answer I am laughed at and told that I am a ‘TERF’ who ‘should be raped and killed’. If this is how a University Professor is treated, little wonder that women who work in jobs without

protection regarding academic enquiry – e;g; factories, shops, schools, restaurants, hospitals, and beyond (where there are fewer / no protections in place in employment contracts and policies) -- feel unable to speak up to protect women’s rights. Welcome to 2018, where people

have drunk the Kool Aid, or are looking to make a career on the back of the Kool Aid, or are just looking for a reason to bully and berate women who speak up (particularly those with expertise). [Good night]

Postscript: I think universities ought to consider sending communications to students & staff about appropriate behaviour. Peaceful protest is a legitimate part of freedom of expression. Harassment and abuse ought never to be tolerated. Employers have a duty of care to employees"
threader.app/thread/1070158128837246977

As others have already done, its a good/important idea to send letter /email to both Prof Freedman & University of Reading

PineappleSunrise · 05/12/2018 13:45

That thread from the student anarchist protesters is really telling - look at how polite they are to the man who schools them on Marxism, and how rude to the women who do. I bet it was entirely subconscious and they didn't even realise they were doing it.

God, I've been seeing this dynamic playing out for decades now and it never, ever changes.

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 05/12/2018 14:51

Pineapple - yes - this is exactly it