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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Vagina Monologues 'excludes some women'

114 replies

Juells · 15/11/2018 15:55

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2018/11/emu_group_ends_the_vagina_mono.html

The WRC announced its decision in an email, which came after the center evaluated responses from a survey. Survey respondents opposing the production consistently indicated they were concerned that the play centers on cisgender women, that the play's version of feminism excludes some women, including trans women, and that overall, "The Vagina Monologue" lacks diversity and inclusion.

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bengalcat · 15/11/2018 18:19

Does that mean puppetry of the penis excludes some men ?

Pandoraslastchance · 15/11/2018 18:20

Well I'm offended by the Australian men who do penis puppetry.

Very offended. I'd like to see that rewritten to include flap flexing as well.

Threewheeler1 · 15/11/2018 18:20

vesuvia
That seems exclusionary of women who have a vagina but do not have a "breaking ground" (whatever body part that is supposed to be)Wink

Now, I've had a rummage, and a quick check in The Big Lady Body Colouring Book by (oh yes I'm a real) Doktor A-drainonmybrain Stirrup, and I think you take a left from your Front Hole, go straight down and it's next to your Vinegar String. HTH Wink

NibblyPig · 15/11/2018 19:29

Ffs! NOT EVERYTHING IS FOR EVERYONE! Why aren't we allowed to have nice things?

Binglebong · 15/11/2018 19:40

This created a need to ask the question: Do we still need 'The Vagina Monologues?' And, are 'The Vagina Monologues' still relevant to next generation feminists?" the email from the WRC says.

Clearly yes!

AspieAndProud · 15/11/2018 19:46

It was only a matter of time before they came for The Vagina Monologues...

Maybe they should just retitle it Talking Bollocks

AspieAndProud · 15/11/2018 19:55

feel I have missed out on puppetry of the penis

I’ve got it on my to-watch list between Ventriloquism of the Vagina and Animation of the Anus.

Threewheeler1 · 15/11/2018 20:06

Aspie
Talking Bollocks is an inspired name Grin

And as for the rest, ooh, sounds like a good 'edgy' nights viewing! I shall bring some popcorn Grin

TheMythicalChicken · 15/11/2018 20:16

I know this is a very serious issue, but some of the posts on here are hilarious 😂.

Talking Bollocks 🤣

Angryresister · 15/11/2018 20:20

There are pieces in the Monologues that not everyone agrees with or find easy of comfortable to perform or read... But that is part of the point. When we read it we chose not to do the newer Trans piece as it made very little sense and nobody understood it. The monologues still work for most women who see it however, just a shame that EE had to pander to the Non women

BettyDuMonde · 15/11/2018 20:24

Flexing Flaps

😂😂😂

BillywilliamV · 15/11/2018 20:28

I'd queue in the rain to see talking bollocks!

Datun · 15/11/2018 20:36

Well I'm offended by the Australian men who do penis puppetry.

Very offended. I'd like to see that rewritten to include flap flexing as well.

😂😂😂

FloralBunting · 15/11/2018 20:36

I am offended at the suggestion vaginas lack diversity. Frankly mine is an absolutely bloody marvel that could only be improved if it brought me a cup of tea first thing.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 15/11/2018 20:43

I’ve seen Puppetry of the Penis and it was very funny. Even funnier was the woman in the row behind me who screamed like a tea kettle when the blokes doffed their robes and revealed their naked tackle. I was outraged because, not having a penis or a sense of humour, I was totally excluded.

I’m now starting a campaign to ban any form of genitally-based entertainment. Ping pong ladies, we’re coming for you.

Melamin · 15/11/2018 20:54

I am offended at the suggestion vaginas lack diversity

They are all different and unique Smile

Bice · 15/11/2018 21:01

Oh for fucks sake.
That is it.
There it is, my peak trans moment.
I’ve been lurking here, learning what I can and speaking up IRL- but not enough.
I am fucking furious.
How fucking dare they.
No more skirting around the issue for me.
Fuck this shit

Singlenotsingle · 15/11/2018 21:24

Huh! The Full Monty is a travesty and ought to be banned! Especially where the tackle is seen waving in the wind. It should be renamed The Full Vagina (or is that a subject for another time?)

LukewarmCustard · 15/11/2018 22:01

Long time lurker here.

Another US college cancelled its annual performance of the Vagina Monologues in 2015. This first got me interested in the trans debates and swiftly on to peak trans.

Eve Ensler's comment was: “Inclusion doesn’t come from refusing to acknowledge our distinctive experiences, and trying to erase them, in an attempt to pretend they do not exist. Inclusion comes from listening to our differences, and honoring the right of everyone to talk about their reality, free from oppression and bigotry and silencing.”
www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/01/21/womens-college-cancels-play-saying-it-excludes-transgender-experiences

Datun · 15/11/2018 23:02

There it is, my peak trans moment.

Perhaps I'd better not get you started on transphobic vulva cupcakes in that case...

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/purplesagefem.wordpress.com/2015/11/05/another-college-student-group-hosts-a-violent-transphobic-cupcake-party/amp/

Bice · 15/11/2018 23:09

Good god.
So my female genitalia is offensive and transphobic and I should just pretend it doesn’t exist so as not to risk offence right?
Fucking hell.

Vegilante · 16/11/2018 00:08

Literature, theater, memoirs, journalism, film & other works of art about the vast array of human experience can be windows that open onto other worlds, allowing us to learn about experiences & perspectives different from our own. Or they can be mirrors that reflect back our own experiences & dramas, validating us & what we've been through & reinforcing what we already know.

These kids want all the windows that open onto other worlds smashed, shuttered, bricked over, rewritten, destroyed. Only mirrors make them happy - & they have to be mirrors that conform to their own distorted views & show themselves back to themselves in the most flattering light.

I also love that these particular kids have a beef with international copyright laws. Being against intellectual property protections is so woke! Book burnings a la "Farenheit 451" are right up their alley.

FWRLurker · 16/11/2018 00:13

THE VAGINA MONOLOGUES INCLUDE EVERYONE WITH A FUCKING VAGINA IT IS IN THE NAME WWHATTTT

Vegilante · 16/11/2018 00:27

Rather than just complain, why don't these kids write their own plays? It would be really easy.

The Front Hole Monologues, Part 1: Menstruation makes me dysphoric! I'm so bloody oppressed! Tampons are transphobic! How dare they call them 'feminine hygeine products'! Waah waah waah

The Front Hole Monologues, Part 2: Ow ow ow FFS ow ow ow! Why didn't anyone tell me before I became a man that childbirth would still hurt? It's so unfair! I'm a man! Waah waah waah

The Laydee Dick Monologues: Suck my big fat laydee cock, terf. Choke on it, terf. Die in a fire, swerf and terf! Waah waah waah

Deluded Dicks in Labour Monologues: Somebody somewhere in the UK had a roomie spat, & it was all about me! Me, me, me! The whole world is all about me! And fuck that terf Young Labour Scotland canned. She's a terf so she's guilty! Burn her. Burn all terfs! Me, me, me! Waah waah waah

Letshopeitsallok · 16/11/2018 00:31

I tried reading Jane Eyre, but I couldn't get on with it because my name isn't Jane.

Also, It excludes everyone who is not a governess in the 1850s.