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Dr Adrian Harrop thread the fourth. "GMC do care & have taken it to the next level"

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R0wantrees · 02/11/2018 15:49

(twitter account in screenshot apparently suspended from twitter following mass targetted reporting yesterday)

previous threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3354331-Dr-Adrian-Harrop-thread-the-third-yes-weve-edited-the-title

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3248676-dr-adrian-harrop-dr-misogyny-is-pursuing-another-woman

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3244781-dr-adrian-harrop-who-the-funk-does-he-think-he-is

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3399503-Adrian-Harrop-feeds-back-on-his-own-debate-on-Feedback

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3392510-Adrian-Harrop-also-chimes-in-on-Karen-White

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3408520-Cant-stop-laughing-at-Haddock

Dr Adrian Harrop thread the fourth. "GMC do care & have taken it to the next level"
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Bowlofbabelfish · 06/11/2018 14:41

have a torte

GrinGrin

Lack of humour is a big red flag for fundamental thought.

R0wantrees · 06/11/2018 15:42

Glosswitch NewStatesman May 2018

'The demonisation of Mumsnet is just the latest incarnation of witch-hunting
Naturally, it frightens people to think of what a group of mothers might actually demand.'
(extract)
"The deliberate withdrawal of women from men has almost always been seen as a potentially dangerous or hostile act, a conspiracy, a subversion, a needless and grotesque thing.” Thus wrote Adrienne Rich in 1976’s Of Woman Born, her seminal exploration of the politics of motherhood. From the workers gossiping in the spinning circle to old wives passing down knowledge of contraception and abortion, women gathered in isolation have long been considered untrustworthy. What might they be saying? What could they be plotting? And how, above all, might they be controlled?

It’s a problem that’s never gone away, though the context has changed. Anxiety over women’s speech – fuelling violent backlash in the form of witch trials and scold’s bridles – arose at a time when, to quote Marina Warner, “women dominated the webs of information and power; the neighbourhood, the village, the well, the washing place, the shops, the stalls, the street were their arena of influence, not only the household”.

One could say things are different in 2018. Changing work patterns and the greater separation of public and private space have led to a fragmentation of female-led domestic communities. As the protagonist of Elisa Albert’s 2015 novel After Birth puts it:

Two hundred years ago – hell, one hundred years ago – you’d have a child surrounded by other women: your mother, her mother, sisters, cousins, sisters-in-law, mother-in-law. […] They’d help you, keep you company, show you how. Then you’d do the same. […] Now maybe you make a living, maybe you get to know yourself on your own terms. […] And then: unceremoniously sliced in fucking half, handed a newborn, home to your little isolation tank, get on with it, and don’t you dare post too many pictures. You don’t want to be one of those.

She’s right. While the work of gestation, birth and mothering hasn’t gone anywhere, the gatherings that sustained it – and scared the hell out of men in the process – have disintegrated. Still, though. There’s always Mumsnet.

I bloody love Mumsnet (even if Mumsnet users haven’t always loved me). Whether you grasp the politics behind it or not, its very existence as a modern-day spinning circle/witches’ coven reminds us of female resistance to marginalisation and of the fear this provokes in others.

Like earlier attitudes towards gossips and hags, today’s attitudes towards Mumsnet mothers are a measure of how all mothers – and by extension all women – are perceived. By that, I don’t mean all women are Mumsnet mummies at heart, but that responses to those women provide a measure of what all women can get away with." (continues)
www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/05/demonisation-mumsnet-just-latest-incarnation-witch-hunting

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Flooffloof · 06/11/2018 15:44

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LemonJello · 06/11/2018 16:53

Birdseye Grin

I think one of the finest legal minds of this generation has taken my advice and turned off they’s computer.

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BirdseyeFrozen · 06/11/2018 16:57

LemonJello
littlebrowndog
and all those whom I have learned so much from on here

Love you all, you gutsy courageous women xxx

Fallingirl · 06/11/2018 17:14

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SunsetBeetch · 06/11/2018 17:31

If we're in an echo chamber, and nobody outside of here cares about us...why the huge, concerted effort to shut us down?

LemonJello · 06/11/2018 18:03

Birdseye ❤️

Deliriumoftheendless · 06/11/2018 18:21

There’s a disbelief that women care about other women and girls and their rights because some people cannot believe women and girls are important enough to matter.

It shows exactly what people like Harrop think.

KatVonGulag · 06/11/2018 18:22

That SH tweet is interesting wellerr

Normal TRA stance is all about punching Nazis

However when it comes to an actual REAL Nazi, well it was a long time ago etc.

That surprised me

pombear · 06/11/2018 18:43

I'm sort of disappointed that Steph's post got deleted.

There's been a lot of research and study over the years on patterns of male and female use of language, tone etc.

But to be honest, you wouldn't need to be a researcher to recognise some of the language flags in that post.

Many women here will have experienced the same in many different ways in everyday life and will have taken one look and recognised them for what they are.

Flooffloof · 06/11/2018 18:48

If we're in an echo chamber, and nobody outside of here cares about us...why the huge, concerted effort to shut us down?

Indeed! And reading all the tweets about us getting shut down it seems to be easy, so why are we still here?

BitOfFun · 06/11/2018 19:00

Brilliant post, Birdseye 

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BirdseyeFrozen · 06/11/2018 19:57

Sorry about typos.
These cataracts are a nuisance.
I need to go back and see the GP.
On second thoughts, I'll manage.

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pombear · 06/11/2018 20:08

Birdseye
How dare you be anonymous! Shocking.

Despite these trans rights activists not understanding the key USP of Mumsnet.

Want to talk about your lichen sclerosus without judgement or link to who you are in real life? Mumsnet

Want to talk about your experience, right now, of coercive control in the relationship you're in, without someone flagging your online activity to your coercive partner? Mumsnet

Want to rail against your family's Christmas arrangements, which make you feel a bit shit right now? Mumsnet

Want to share with a potential group of women who probably know how you feel about the fact that breastfeeding isn't going quite how you expected it to go? Mumsnet

Want to talk about how trans activists are making you feel right now about your place as a female in the world? How dare you. Post your real name right now, otherwise you're a coward, in an echo chamber, and up for abuse, doxxing, etc.

BirdseyeFrozen · 06/11/2018 20:44

Pombear
I promise I did not report the missing SRH post. As gutted as you are that it was deleted. I'm easily recognised by the brown paper bag on my head, and the propensity to leave my skirt tucked in my knickers when leaving the lavvy.
Melanippe
I'm not doxxing personal addresses. Not too sure of the point. It's a generic mail address, no doubt for other small businesses too, yes, of a "lawyer", running what the "lawyer" describes as a Solicitors Office in official documents lodged at Companies House.

I think that there are rules about that.

Concerning indeed if there are no actual solicitors. The Liverpool firm, now closed, to be fair, did not use the description of " solicitor" with Companies House. The London one does.

The use of terms such as solicitor, architect, barrister and so on, are protected. A "lawyer" therefore, is not necessarily answerable to The Solicitors Regulatory Body or Bar Council. Worrying, if a client, and you get shit advice.

Incidentally, most of the finest law firms DO actually have a proper office, so that you erm actually can go in for proper legal advice and appointments, and not have to meet behind the bike sheds wearing a Red Rose and giving the secret signal.

Hth, and my sincere apologies if I have misunderstood the point you make. Flowers

Invisible1234 · 06/11/2018 20:57

Talk about language flags. Often it's about "educating" women, which to me sounds like a male threat to beat up a woman, and it's always about telling us what to do. Anyway...this tweet is a case in point.

twitter.com/MunroeBergdorf/status/1057279031555641345?fbclid=IwAR1FtByFo3VKmMApp4EtBTxo8SazED6k6Jzn0f0gC9rWK_Ho38nJ_ri1rJ4

TimeLady · 06/11/2018 21:04

Companies House uses the relevant SIC code:

www.siccode.co.uk/sic2007/code-69102

Melanippe · 06/11/2018 21:08

I'm not doxxing personal addresses. Not too sure of the point. It's a generic mail address, no doubt for other small businesses too, yes, of a "lawyer", running what the "lawyer" describes as a Solicitors Office in official documents lodged at Companies House.

I'm not suggesting you are.

Lawyer is a generic term, solicitor is a protected title, so I think the person in question is telling the strict truth in stating they are a lawyer rather than a solicitor, but, because the man on the Clapham omnibus doesn't understand the difference, the implication for the uninitiated is that they are the latter.

Hope that's clearer, and apologies for the mix up.

BirdseyeFrozen · 06/11/2018 21:17

Timelady
That's not Companies House website.
(2007? You went back in time just for me?)
I'm not talking problems with sic codes.
Read my post again. Better still, get a Solicitor to explain it to you. Or a Barrister.
The issue I raise is not about Companies House.

BirdseyeFrozen · 06/11/2018 21:27

Melanippe
I just explained to you what you then explained back to me re protected jobs. Hmm
Your Lord Denning reference is beyond the Hayden Statute of Limitations, but hey, the Clapham Omnibus, heady days eh?

Sorry can't stay any longer, I have a date with a wrench and a self threading screw. Duty calls. Good night to you.Smile

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