Rachael McKinnon-another gem from the "you couldn't make it up" guidebook.

[BertrandRussell]

Basically, lesbians should lie back and think of England.

Homophobia is clearly not a problem anymore. In this brave new world of bullshit.

This is a man talking about raping women. Garden variety misogyny dressed up as some sort of neo-liberal BS.

..the cis lesbian gets over her genital hangups and realizes that she can cope just fine.

Genital hangups?

So sexual orientation is just a hangup now? Homophobia to the max. Vile. Real Westboro Baptist stuff, as Floral said.

And as for COPE JUST FINE...

I'm usually quite softly spoken but roaring at the top of my lungs is the only way to express my indignation.

It was the Cotton Ceiling that first got me into this.

I'm very keen on sex. The thought that anyone might think they had the faintest right to tell me who to fuck makes me wild. The pressure lesbians, especially young lesbians, get from people who think like Rachel McKinnon is atrocious.

I suppose most lesbians can spot a heterosexual male well before there is any attempt at sexual contact.

If a lesbian were unlucky enough to get into a real relationship before suddenly discovering that their partner was a heterosexual man, I imagine the discovery could be quite traumatic, even if ( perhaps especially if ) he has had genital surgery.

getthelout.wordpress.com/blog/

"Why “Get The L Out” ?
July 5, 2018
Angela C. Wild
Who We Are

Get the L Out is a group of lesbian and feminist individuals and organisations, opposing the increasingly anti-lesbian and misogynistic LGBT movement and the erasure of lesbians

Why We Protest

We believe that lesbian rights are under attack by the trans movement and we encourage lesbians everywhere to leave the LGBT and form their own independent movement, as well as to be vocal and take action against the proposed changes to the GRA.

Get the L Out believes trans politics (with uncritical support from the LGBT movement) does the following:

Promotes the social transition of lesbians, encouraging them to present as straight men thus favouring the pretence of heterosexuality over lesbianism – this is nothing more than a form of conversion therapy.
Promotes the medical transition of lesbians and pushes harmful drugs (untested hormone blockers, Lupron etc.) as well as unnecessary medical practices on perfectly healthy bodies – these are a form of misogynist medical abuse against lesbians.
Promotes the rights of heterosexual males who “identify” as women and lesbians (despite most of them still retaining their male genitals) over the rights of lesbians to choose their sexual partners. This new ‘queer’ LGBT politics thus coerces lesbians to accept the penis as a female organ and promotes heterosexual intercourse between male and female as a form of lesbian sex. This is simply a new facet to rape culture and compulsory heterosexuality." (continues)

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301033-Get-the-L-Out-Statement-by-the-lesbian-protesters-at-Pride-London

It was only a few days ago that a poster on another thread tried to convince me that lesbians are lesbians only because of societal pressure and that if they would just throw off the shackles of societal expectations they would realise that they were really dick-loving heterosexuals.

Yeah, no.

I just cant find it in me to support corrective rape.

Oh fuck off McKinnon. Your issues with women not giving sex to men are your problem, not mine. You'll find a good psychologist in the yellow pages. Any 'lesbian' who has sex with male bodies is not a lesbian, and I'll decide for myself who I'm attracted to thanks. HTH.

Actually I'll edit that to add: has sex with male bodies willingly because they are attracted to them.

I've known plenty of lesbians who have had sex with male bodies as an experiment on whether it works for them, because they married unaware they were gay and realised later why they didn't enjoy sex, or because they're being coerced by homophobic twats who believe it's more important for females to validate males with reality issues and co operate with gaslighting than to respect those female's homosexuality.

I can tell I'm not the only one who is struggling to find the words to articulate the number of outrages all jostling for position in my head.

But chief amongst them is how can this person not tell that EVERYBODY knows they are a common or garden entitled male bodied trans person trying to get sex. Just everyone. Their friends, cronies, supporters and detractors. All of them.

It's stultifyingly predictable. The only remarkable part is the barefaced fucking cheek, or blind arrogance, in trying to convince anyone that there's any more to it than that.

Ugh.

( i've neutralised my pronouns, in the highly unlikely event that HQ would deem as as anything other than what is)

Has McKinnon offered the same 'just get over it' advice to gay men, vis a vis their aversion to vaginas?

Asking for all gay doctors and Momentum supporting Guardian writers who tweet regularly...

Coping just fine is not what continuous enthusiastic consent looks like, you rapey bastard. Fuck, I've had enough of these people now.

Never in my life have I ‚coped just fine‘ during sex. I‘d always end it, before such a need arose. And no partner ever expected me to ‚cope‘. Coping in relation to sex is a porn concept. Very much sounds like Rachel watched so much porn they lost their connection to reality.

As a heterosexual woman, and liker of cock, I just can't ever envision a situation where I would 1. meet a trans man and think he was a natal, heterosexual man

1. Get in a sexual liaison with this person, find there was no cock present, go through with it anyway and emerge feeling my heterosexuality was intact.

It's playing on the tendency that many of my friends used to talk about when we were teenagers. They got themselves into unfortunate encounters because they were too polite so say no. Obvious result of female socialisation and the TRA's are exploiting this. Particularly amongst impressionable young lesbians.

Coping just fine is not what continuous enthusiastic consent looks like, you rapey bastard

This.

All.
Day.
Long.

It's playing on the tendency that many of my friends used to talk about when we were teenagers. They got themselves into unfortunate encounters because they were too polite so say no. Obvious result of female socialisation and the TRA's are exploiting this. Particularly amongst impressionable young lesbians.

This, this, so much this - i imagine most of us recognose and remember this. Girls and young women’s boundaries are being destroyed, they are being gaslit and confused by all this male oriented manipulative shite.

in every conversation I have ever had with my teenage ds about sex, I have reinforced the message that unless consent is enthusiastic, assume that it is not consent. This just drives a coach and horses through that.

It's stultifyingly predictable. The only remarkable part is the barefaced fucking cheek, or blind arrogance, in trying to convince anyone that there's any more to it than that.

It's actively part of the thrill. McKinnon is a perfect example of Duping Delight.

Rachel was 'raped'.

metamorpho-sis.net/2013/10/46-faking-orgasms-and-rape/

I see McKinnon believes that when they had PIV sex and they 'faked orgasm', the women concerned didn't realise and were taken in by it.

Oh, mate - trust me, there's one very easy way to tell whether or not a man has had an orgasm.

Bottom line: "girls, sex is not for you to enjoy, it's for you to find a way to get through and tolerate for the sake of someone's superior and higher status need - and no, that someone will never expect second best or to put anyone else first. In fact that someone is busy validating that it's ok not to give a damn that you're unwillingly forcing yourself to allow them to use your body".

Rape culture, with a heavy, stark dose of misogyny and male supremacy. About as attractive to any woman with a brain and a grain of self esteem as a plate of cow dung.

It's all tied up with the whole 'sex worker positive' narrative, which is about imagining shiny eyed little girls saying "mummy I want to grow up and be a sex worker" and enthusiastic sex workers who love having their bodies used, in order to cover up the ugliness, scariness, huge dose of male violence and male entitlement that it all involves and absolve the purchaser. Fuck that.

The answer is what it has always been: there will always be weird, entitled, unpleasant men who can't get anyone to have sex with them because of being entitled and unpleasant, and feels pissed off about this. That's their problem. Women and girls need reminding, frequently, of the stickied post at the top of the relationships board. What sane person wants any little girl to grow up aspiring to 'tolerate sex' and put some vile male who isn't interested in her consent or pleasure above her own needs?

weird, entitled, unpleasant men who can't get anyone to have sex with them

Over and over.

the cis lesbian gets over her genital hangups

This is just vile. 'Gential hangups'...your sexuality is wrong, fucking bigots need to get over it. Just try dick, you might 'cope just fine'. Lesbians absolutely have not already heard this nonsense a hundred times before. Sounds so fucking rapey to me, as if sex is something that women should just be there for, rather than take part in.

Well, this is a keeper for all those 'i see no ships' types who don't believe that lesbians face any coercion from the trans pushing AWAs. Reams and reams of overt homophobia in these tweets. It's this and child mutilation that keeps me right in this dog fight.

I still have a link about the proof collecting. Given AWAs claim that TERFs just make this shit up for shits and giggles, even though almost every high profile TRA seems to agree that lesbians are bigoted for being lesbians

drive.google.com/drive/folders/13vfYxPdJ-HeeLfk_EDg9fR9lUx2NFWpd

Just had a look through that lovely collection of tweets Vixxy and I am just at the madness of it all.

These two gems stand out in particular. Love the fact they have been subtitled (by you?) 'get over me being male' and 'problematic lesbians for being female homosexuals.

I clicked on the profile of a few of the 'cis lesbians' on the Twitter threads linked to earlier. I am going to sound incredibly un-PC here but, ahem, how anyone could see these people as anything other than a collection of badly dressed blokes is beyond me. That's quite possibly their issue here.