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Response from Leeds Council about WPUK Cancellation

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CrazyToast · 31/10/2018 13:08

Thank you for your complaint dated 1st October 2018 which has been logged at Stage 1 of our procedure and has been investigated in line with our Complaints policy.

I understand that your complaint relates to the cancellation of a booking for a Woman’s Place meeting to be held at the Leeds Civic Hall on 28 September 2018.

The booking enquiry was made by an individual in April and provisionally entered into the diary, subject to completion of the booking form. While this is the usual procedure, the booking was not completed and returned as expected. The individual who had made the booking was contacted and asked to complete the booking form and this was done on 21 September, a week before the event was scheduled to take place.

The venue was not disclosed to those attending until the morning of 28 September due to concerns by the organisers about security. Once the venue was confirmed news of the event quickly spread and calls to cancel the event were made to the Council on social media and by e-mails to elected members and officers.

From midday onwards, a number of communications were received alleging that Woman’s Place UK had held similar events elsewhere in the country which gave a platform to speakers that used potentially discriminatory language particularly in regard to the transgender community. It also became apparent that a number of these events had attracted controversy, demonstrations and/or the cancellation of meetings and a Police investigation into a bomb threat made in advance of an event in Hastings.

Officers had to quickly consider whether allowing the group to hold its meeting at the Civic Hall would represent a significant security risk and also impact the work to tackle prejudice and promote understanding in the city.

In considering these issues a decision to cancel the event was made primarily as the Council was concerned about the potential safety and security risks to the building, its staff and users. At that late stage it would not have been possible to determine and mobilize sufficient resources to afford the correct level of protection to mitigate such risks and therefore there was no option but to cancel the booking.

The Civic Hall is the key public building in the city and a symbol of democracy and Leeds City Council is a large local authority with a high profile and as such could potentially be a target for acts of terrorism. The Council’s Building Security Policy identifies the actions to be taken in line with the threat levels set by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre and the Security Service (MI5). The threat level informs decisions on protective security measures taken by public bodies, the police and the transport sector. The United Kingdom’s current threat level is severe, meaning that an attack is highly likely. This requires a heightened response level for high risk events which includes issuing visitor ID badges, accompanying visitors to the event area and risk based bag searches.

The investigation revealed that there were a number of factors that contributed to safety and security concerns that led to the cancellation of the booking on the afternoon of 28 September when the meeting was scheduled to be held:

· It was clear that information to support confirmation of the booking was withheld until a week before the event, when provided this was incomplete in that it failed to identify the organisation and nor was any information provided about the potential for threats of harm or demonstrations as experienced at previous events held by the organisers.

· The withholding of information by Woman’s Place UK resulted in insufficient time to undertake a risk assessment to arrive at a considered view of the risks and whether any actions that could be taken to mitigate these and identify and mobilise resources to achieve this if appropriate to do so.

· The Council had a duty to ensure the safety and security of the building, its staff and visitors. At the present time this duty requires a heightened response level and must take seriously the threat of harm including the potential for bomb threats.

The e-mails sent by the office of the Leader of the Council, were sent on her behalf as responses to concerns raised by e-mail about Woman’s Place UK. It appears the text extracted from the e-mail response has been made public on social media giving the impression that the Leader of the Council made a public statement, but this was not the case.

There was effort made to ensure that there was clarity and consistency in all communications. However given the number of individuals involved and the speed of events, the specifics of the decision making and the commentary or views of individuals on social media may have been conflated.

For clarity, the official council statement released to the press on the day of cancellation was as follows:

A Leeds City Council spokesperson said:

“We recently received a request for a meeting to be held at Leeds Civic Hall by Women’s Place UK. Since accepting the booking, we have been made aware of further details regarding some of the views which have been raised by this group previously that are not in line with Leeds City Council’s values and policies on equality and inclusion.

“We understand these views have attracted controversy and led to safety concerns at other venues hosting similar events. We have therefore decided that Leeds Civic Hall is not an appropriate venue for this event and have informed the organisers that their booking has been cancelled.”

On issuing this statement we received further questions which again we responded to publicly through the press office. A further statement was issued providing more detailed information as follows:

A Leeds City Council spokesperson said:

“Leeds City Council received a booking for an event to be held at Leeds Civic Hall on 28th September 2018 several weeks ago which was booked in the name of ‘Woman’s Peace is Speaking the Truth’. Details about the venue were not released to the attendees by the organisers until the day the event was due to be held (last Friday).

“Once those details were published, it became clear the event was to be hosted by Woman’s Place UK and that the organisers had not been open to the council about the nature of the booking, including the fact that previous events had been the subject of bomb threats and serious protests.

“The council also received a number of complaints from people concerned about the alleged use of controversial and potentially discriminatory language at similar events that had been organised by the group in other parts of the country.

“The council is committed to public sector guidelines on equality and does extensive work towards eliminating harassment and discrimination in Leeds.

“At that late stage, and in light of this new information, the council had to quickly consider whether holding this meeting at the Civic Hall would represent a significant security risk and if it would have a detrimental impact on our work to tackle prejudice and promote understanding in our city.

“With this in mind, and in the absence of relevant security, risk and equality assessments being carried out due to misinformation by the event organiser, on the advice of officers and in consultation with elected members, the council’s chief executive took the decision to cancel the meeting.

“We would emphasise that had the group making the booking being more open and transparent with us, it would have given us more opportunity to work with them to fully consider all security, safety, risk and equality concerns.”

It is regrettable that this event had to be cancelled and as a Council it is clear that our processes at the time were a contributing factor in the cancellation. I can assure you that changes will be made to minimise any future short notice cancellations.

I also wish to apologise for the delayed response to your complaint. With a sensitive issue of this nature I wished to ensure I had full details of the events leading up to the cancellation before responding to your concerns, which on this occasion has taken longer than expected.

I hope the above information addressed your concerns around the cancellation of this booking. If you wish to request a review of my decision, you can contact Customer Relations either in writing, by telephone or e-mail within 28 days of receiving this letter. However, please be aware that consideration will usually only be given to new facts or evidence, or to comments on the above facts and evidence which I have relied on as part of my investigation.

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SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 01/11/2018 07:58

Are they saying that they view TRA threats to be on a par with terrorism ?

It does read that way. If that is what they meant I would agree - sending bomb threats to silence people is terrorism - but I have a feeling that isn't the message they intended to convey.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/11/2018 08:06

but I have a feeling that isn't the message they intended to convey. Yes! The message they fully intended to convey is that women who speak out loud and hurt The Feelz are bad and need to stop.

That has a name doesn't it... oh yes! Victim blaming, same old same old.

Bowlofbabelfish · 01/11/2018 08:19

n considering these issues a decision to cancel the event was made primarily as the Council was concerned about the potential safety and security risks to the building, its staff and users

So Leeds council are saying that transactivists are potentially violent and make bomb threats, and are a risk to their staff and property?

Well...

adulthumanandtired · 01/11/2018 08:38

This reads like the council thinks that women not doing proper paperwork and daring to have opinions and wanting to meet and speak, are at fault, not the people making bomb threats and threatening violence. WTAF.

AspieAndProud · 01/11/2018 09:02

Never concede to the demands of terrorists.

AverageAvenger · 01/11/2018 09:05

This is the email that kicked everything off, sent at midday on the day of the meeting, requested under FOI.

There are several councillors now working actively to get the whole sorry mess out in the open.

FOI results are very, very telling.

LCC were absolutely aware of the security issues long before the day. Indeed, in her email Cllr Lennox mentions security protection and special treatment! The event was also booked and sponsored by a Labour councillor who knew the full background.

An absolute scandal. Here you go:

“I’m writing to you with great urgency, as I have been made aware this morning that the Civic Hall has been booked for use this evening by a group called A Woman’s Place.
A Woman’s Place is a group dedicated to attacking the rights and freedoms of trans women to define themselves as such, and live and interact as women in public spaces. They claim that the existence of trans women in public spaces puts women at risk of harm and discrimination. They claim to speak the “truth”, but in reality practice nothing more than hate speech against an extremely marginalised and vulnerable group. Most disgustingly, they regularly accuse trans women of being perpetrators of rape and sexual assault, when plentiful evidence shows that trans women are disproportionately at risk of violence themselves.
Please see the email below. Not only has this group been allowed to book a room at the Civic Hall for their hate rally, they have seemingly also secured security protection and special treatment.
This year, Leeds Pride was led by Trans Leeds as a show of solidarity and resistance against the growing hate, discrimination and violence that trans women experience. The LGBT community and its allies from across Leeds united in a display of visible, unwavering support for the Trans community, and it was the biggest and most euphoric Pride I remember since moving to our city.
How then, can we sanction a group which seeks to harm and dehumanise the trans community in such insidious and malevolent ways, by allowing them to use the civic heart of our city to promote their hatred?
My colleagues and I request that immediate action is taken to establish how this booking was made, to cancel it immediately, and to ensure that Leeds’ integrity as an ally and a supporter of the Trans community is not sullied and embarrassed by giving a platform for a small number of bigots who hold completely unacceptable views.
Yours Faithfully
Cllr Jessica Lennox”

hackmum · 01/11/2018 09:11

That email from Jessica Lennox is out-and-out libellous.

AverageAvenger · 01/11/2018 09:20

It’s extraordinary.

littlbrowndog · 01/11/2018 09:49

It is extraordinary indeed
Full of the outrage of an idiot

R0wantrees · 01/11/2018 09:57

article in Yorkshire Post, Monday 03 September 2018
when was the WPUK meeting?

'Channel 4 adviser believes Leeds can become UK’s most inclusive city'
(extract)
"POLITICAL and business leaders can help to deliver vast economic benefits by collaborating to turn Leeds into the UK’s most inclusive city, according to an adviser for Channel 4. Sue Pascoe said that implementing policies to support a workplace meritocracy would help to unlock commercial and strategic benefits. Ms Pascoe, who is working with Channel 4 to increase its inclusivity culture, added: “In our drive to see our standards of living increase, we’ve forgotten that it’s standard of life that sustains us and our diverse interlocking communities.”

Ms Pascoe was one of the participants in a panel debate to consider issues surrounding inclusivity in the workplace which was held at Sky Betting & Gaming’s office in Wellington Place in Leeds. It marked the end of a month-long series of activities to celebrate inclusivity organised by businesses based in Wellington Place and MEPC, the site’s property investment and development firm. The Pride of Place campaign helped to raise funds for Yorkshire MESMAC, which is one of the oldest sexual health organisations in the UK and Leeds LGBT+ Sports Fringe Festival.

Ms Pascoe said Leeds could take steps towards becoming an inclusive city by establishing supportive communities and networks. She added: “You achieve this by putting the basics in place to support diverse people and those with protected characteristics. I have seen the impressive work that the council has been doing on community well-being and the initiatives under the West Yorkshire and Harrogate Health and Care Partnership, which I support. They provide interesting examples of what can be done across the city.” (continues)

"The Pride Panel discussion, which was held in Wellington Place, Leeds, also featured Kathryn Watson, from Leeds University Business School, Craig Burton, a founder of The Works Recruitment, Tom Doyle, the CEO of Yorkshire MESMAC and Rob Wilson, the chair of Leeds City Council’s LGBT+ staff network. The debate was chaired by Greg Wright, The Yorkshire Post’s deputy business editor."

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/channel-4-adviser-believes-leeds-can-become-uk-s-most-inclusive-city-1-9332267

Picture from the article with an 'inclusive' panel?

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331095-Channel-4-appoints-a-new-advisor-on-inclusion

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3383926-Sue-Pascoe

Response from Leeds Council about WPUK Cancellation
Bowlofbabelfish · 01/11/2018 10:48

to cancel it immediately,

Wow. There’s something rotten at the heart of Leeds isn’t there?

R0wantrees · 01/11/2018 11:05

Wow. There’s something rotten at the heart of Leeds isn’t there?

Liverpool too.... also Manchester & Sheffield.
That M62 corridor eh?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3410483-Thread-on-the-recent-misogyny-of-Liverpool-City-Council-re-comments-by-Labour-Cllr-Paul-Kenyon-Mayor-Joe-Anderson

Datun · 01/11/2018 11:09

Bloody hell!!!

Electron1 · 01/11/2018 12:11

At that late stage it would not have been possible to determine and mobilize sufficient resources to afford the correct level of protection to mitigate such risks and therefore there was no option but to cancel the booking.

Thereby locking the women out in the street where the same people that had intimidated the council into locking them out were gathering to protest. The meeting was then hosted in a pub with no need for badges and bag searches.

Why do people hide behind such pompous waffle?

TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 01/11/2018 12:58

Speechless.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/11/2018 14:02

Flaming heck!

I suppose there will be enough in that to start some sort of litigation!

JoggerBottom · 01/11/2018 14:25

Wow. Thank you for posting that Lennox email. I wonder how many tasks they had to drop for the day to rush that email through?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 01/11/2018 18:22

FOI full response here:

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/womens_place_uk_booking

They are still saying that WPUK didn't confirm details until the week before...

Bespin · 02/11/2018 06:26

there is no typo it's just a group trying to make a booking under a false name and then being found out and having the booking cancelled. if you really want to book somewhere at least use your name, why did someone feel then need to lie.

TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 02/11/2018 06:33

You might also want to consider the libel laws, Bespin. Also try following links and reading them in full. It is perfectly clear from the booking information that no lie was told about who was booking the Hall.

Bespin · 02/11/2018 06:59

exellent so when you call your group something different to make a booking as I read the form and it clearly states a woman's peace is speaking the truth and someone cancels your booking as that is not the name of your group which is a woman's place UK. then that is liable good to know, please feel free to take that to court. in sure the judge will welcome this use of there time warmly

jellyfrizz · 02/11/2018 07:38

so when you call your group something different to make a booking as I read the form and it clearly states a woman's peace is speaking the truth and someone cancels your booking as that is not the name of your group which is a woman's place UK.

That section asks for title of the event, not name of organising group.

Micke · 02/11/2018 07:43

It's also interesting - I look at the form, see the hard overwrite on the L and go 'yeah, I've done that, your mind wanders because you're trying to fill in the form and someone's talking to you at the same time, and you end up having to cross things out because you've written the wrong thing'

Bespins head instead goes to the idea that they were trying to hide who they were, pretend they were about womens' peace not womens' place.

Applying Occams razor, spelling mistake wins for me.