These self obsessed people, where have they come from ?

[SirVixofVixHall]

This was in my email inbox this morning. Sigh. There have been other articles like this recently. The bullying undertone, the entitlement. This is someone “non binary”. So someone just like everyone else. Apart from the patronising hectoring tone, it is all so tedious. BORING, BORING, BORING. Must make for some very earnest and deathly dull parties. Where are all the wonderful GNC people with their interesting outfits, self deprecation and wit ? I know that this is from America, but stil.. Never mind generation snowflake, this is more generation dreary. No irony, no self awareness, no sense of humour.
Is this all down to identity politics ? Is this teaching ? Parenting? The product of a decadent and privileged environment ?

I feel despair at the environmental disasters looming, and what my daughters might be facing, yet there is a generation of people spending their time policing how others refer to them, when they aren’t even present.

Sometimes I wish someone would be honest with these young people and just say: "Outside of probably your mum and dad, no-one gives a shit about you or your identity or your issues unless it can make them money. The world does not care and never will. The sooner you figure this out, the better because then you can actually start figuring out how to create the life you want."

Despite being a bit pompous and opinionated at times (like myself lol) I've seen a funny rant from Steven Crowder to an audience along the lines of "your opinion just isn't really that fucking important." It was absolutely spot on...

God it's just so tedious.

In other news, some people go to University to learn about stuff other than the crap in their heads

Let’s be honest, to be this navel-gazing and easily offended (as someone has already mentioned up thread) is so earnest and lacks a basic sense of humour.

One thing that we are apparently not allowed to do is laugh at the ridiculousness of it all, at least if we’re female. But I think we definitively should ignore that directive.

DH says he’s starting to feel that a lot of this is carefully fuelled by the Ruskies and the far right, cleverly distracting us from the real issues, to cause social breakdown and disruption. It does all feel rather end of days fiddling while Rome burns.

I have been wondering about this, especially after I read an article (linked ages ago on the Trump threads) where a journalist commented that he was surprised by Steve Bannon’s detailed and nuanced grasp of feminist theory. I do think there are agitators stirring the pot, even though the fundamental transgender ideology is problematic and deserves proper scrutiny.

To the non-parent who posted upthread asking why parents let their kids have internet access, we tried not to. DS1 had my old iphone when he started high school so he could reach us (at work) if he had an emergency. DH disabled Safari, in part to ensure he didn’t use the data roaming but also to limit access to dodgy sites. We had to reinstall it after DS was asked to use it in class to undertake research for his school work!

Yaaaaawn. No idea what a pro-noun is and don't care!!!!!!

Yaaaaawn. No idea what a pro-noun is and don't care!!!!!!

It's a pretty basic concept in the English language but you crack on

Scott yes you're completely right to blame women for this

I said 'feminists' not 'women'.

And it's true! All these attempts to get people fired etc for saying things that offend them started with feminism. Like the rocket guy who had a t-shirt with a picture of a scantily clad cartoon woman on it (designed by female friend incidentally). He and many others have been hounded by feminists in a very similar manner to how the TRAs now do.

TRAs are just the latest incarnation of the social justice warrior...

Yes the climate change news that we are basically doomed and yet all the energy spent on this nonsense deckchairs and titanic springs to mind

Maybe the rise of the millenials is the greatest argument for the patriarchy. 🤔

The more sensitive and inclusive our society gets, the more entitled little snowflakes there seem to be who demand that society kowtows to their every whim on case they shock horror should experience just feelings.

I'm not in favour of toxic masculinity and what comes with it, but if any demographic ever needed to be told to 'man up' it's the youth if this generation.

*hurt feelings

This is anecdotal, but I know someone well who is a transwoman and whilst they are by no means all bad they are very self-centred and this comes down to how they were raised. Their parents are well-meaning, but they were too indulgent by far of their children. I remember this person had a friend living at their house for months on end, eating their food and not contributing anything. Both these parents are baby boomers and had solid careers, but apparently were recently swindled in their pensions (this person I know is late 30s, so not quite a millennial). They did all sorts of courses at their parents' expense, dropping out and never pursuing a career, with a short attention span and leading a completely hedonistic, self-indulgent lifestyle. His parents were simply too supportive and encouraging, their hippy mentality meant their kids' every whim was catered for. This person I know well enough to know they don't have gender dysphoria but AGP, and I remember them telling me one time that although their parents were trying to be supportive of them being a trans woman, it has been the one thing that he could see they felt a little uncomfortable with. I can't help but view this as partly the typical rebellion of the younger generation against their parents, but also those parents providing far too much leniency (I'm not suggesting strictness is needed, just realism). I would add though, that for all those precious narcissists out there there are also the millennials working several jobs to put themselves through university, in the hope that one day they might be able to own their own house and pay off their student debts, but then this also seems a rejection of the older generation in a way, in that they are so money orientated and somewhat cynical (perhaps understandably) whereas when HE was free we could afford to choose our subjects for the sake of learning itself. Also, mainstream music has always for the most part been sh**, there are plenty of other artists bubbling under the surface who don't conform to the sex robot aesthetic:

I wonder sometimes whether it’s aliens fucking with our heads to soften us up for an invasion.

Blue haired aliens. How the hell did we not see the signs?

Didn't humans become self obsessed someone in the late 1800's early 1900's? Naval gazing has been going on a while!

You only need to “know someone’s pronouns” if you are going to be talking about them, not to them. Presumably if you’re talking to people you use their name, or “you”.

So it’s an interesting assumption that the person who’s pronouns you’re assertaining is going to be important enough to you, that you’re going to want to mention them in their absence or to another person.

If someone tells me their preferred pronouns are Ze/Zzzz or whatever, I’m going to avoid talking about them because I’m going to seem like a complete idiot.

Or a buzzy 🐝.

Well, I liked the bit in the article where it said that if you aren’t sure you’re going to be able to use pronouns consistently or “properly” then just don’t ask.

I have no confidence in pronouncing or conjugating xie/zie/sie, let alone remembering to apply them consistently so it seems like a Get Out Of Jail Free card to me.

DH says he’s starting to feel that a lot of this is carefully fuelled by the Ruskies and the far right, cleverly distracting us from the real issues, to cause social breakdown and disruption. It does all feel rather end of days fiddling while Rome burns.

Oddly enough quite a while ago I saw a youtube video interview with a former KGB agent who said this was actually done, not sure whether the target was States or west in general, but he said that the measure of success would be the extent that you could tie people up in unproductive battles that would cause harm to their societies in a multitude of ways via following a supposed liberal route. I don't know if it was authentic (impossible to verify) but it is in some measure plausible. If nothing else I could imagine Vlad the Bad having a good laugh at all our expenses...

For the record, my pronouns will be 'fish' and 'fishes'. I will be watching carefully to make sure they are used (and I won't be laughing secretly at all, oh no not at all).

So it’s an interesting assumption that the person who’s pronouns you’re assertaining is going to be important enough to you, that you’re going to want to mention them in their absence or to another person.

Yes. Very interesting.

Yes, but of course that would fit with the narcissism wouldn't it?

Of course, they are sooooooo interesting you couldn't help but talk all about them - constantly.