These self obsessed people, where have they come from ?

[SirVixofVixHall]

This was in my email inbox this morning. Sigh. There have been other articles like this recently. The bullying undertone, the entitlement. This is someone “non binary”. So someone just like everyone else. Apart from the patronising hectoring tone, it is all so tedious. BORING, BORING, BORING. Must make for some very earnest and deathly dull parties. Where are all the wonderful GNC people with their interesting outfits, self deprecation and wit ? I know that this is from America, but stil.. Never mind generation snowflake, this is more generation dreary. No irony, no self awareness, no sense of humour.
Is this all down to identity politics ? Is this teaching ? Parenting? The product of a decadent and privileged environment ?

I feel despair at the environmental disasters looming, and what my daughters might be facing, yet there is a generation of people spending their time policing how others refer to them, when they aren’t even present.

I work for myself so don't go to many meetings but I'm now paranoid that when I do I might be asked my pronouns, as there are some very vocal woke people in the field I work in. I can't think what the hell I would say though.

Love asking Sheila for milk and talking to Hehim. Am properly laughing.

everard I saw someone on here once say they’d give the answer “I/me/my” if ever asked for their pronouns and I’m pinching that!

My son had an asymmetrical haircut about fifteen years ago, and was mortified when the checkout lady at the supermarket asked him if he'd only been charged for half a haircut.

Were we outraged on his behalf? Nah, I'm afraid we all hooted with laughter when he told us.

“Ask me my pronouns”

No, I won’t because I don’t give a toss what your pronouns are and I won’t be using any pronouns in our 30 second exchange.

I run a workshop on how to correct misgendering

Reminds me of Alexei Sayle’s joke that anybody who uses the word ‘workshop’ who isn’t employed in light engineering is a twat.

Am crying laughing at Sheila and Hehim. I imagine Sheila as a muscular person in a ripped black vest with a tattoo saying Mum.
Hehim is a Turk with long black curls and thick eyelashes.

‘’Ask me about my stamp collection!’’

Except that might be interesting. A better analogy would be

‘’Beware landmines’’

Because this really is someone begging you to make a mis-step so they can explode.

This this this. Spot on.

i don’t believe that it is possible to misgender someone. I note people’s sex. As a pp said, all the rest is just fol-de-rol baroque nonsense.
DH says he’s starting to feel that a lot of this is carefully fuelled by the Ruskies and the far right, cleverly distracting us from the real issues, to cause social breakdown and disruption. It does all feel rather end of days fiddling while Rome burns.

Oh, I don’t know... the PC movement of the 80s was equally, earnestly tedious at times.

Anyone old enough to remember the PC version of Red Riding Hood?
“Red Riding Hood entered the cottage and said, "Grandma! I have brought you some fatfree, sodium-free snacks to salute you in your role of a wise and nurturing matriarch."

don’t believe that it is possible to misgender someone. I note people’s sex. As a pp said, all the rest is just fol-de-rol baroque nonsense.

I got soundly told off for saying that in a recent argument with a TRA. It's the very worst kind of oppression.

I unwittingly changed channels the other night and found I was watching 'Naked Attraction' on Channel 4. A giggly and very young-looking woman (yes, woman, thank you) called Izzy described herself as 'non-binary' and 'pan-sexual' and was presented with the naked genitals of two transitioning people (F2M), a man (I think) and a non-binary (who, judging by his anatomy,
looked pretty much male-born to me ).

There was some laborious explanation of what 'cis' meant ( FFS ), some careful pronoun use, nothing but uncritical approval was shown, and then Izzy took her clothes off too - looking extremely uncomfortable - and displayed her 'non-binary' but very womanly body for the benefit of the cameras, contestants and viewers.

I was left thinking.......does anyone not have any boundaries any more? Who seriously believes this stuff? Why would you want to make your life so complicated and fraught?

So not buying into “identity” and noting sex, is worse than slavery, the gulag, the exploitation of the peasantry, people trafficking, girls being unable to leave the house without a male relative, or get an education ?
Do you think that TAs actually believe this or it it just an effective tool to silence the heretics ?

where have they come from
I blame liberal parenting, tbh. I'd like to have seen a kid in the 60's or 70's announce they were non binary or to 'respect my pronouns'. They'd have been told to grow the fuck up in no uncertain terms.
Old school parenting FTW.

We had more pressing things to worry about....the three day week with no electricity for most of the time (candle lit, cold dinner of baked beans straight from the tin, anyone?), the looming threat of the cold war and nuclear annihilation....there were bound to be more, but those were the biggies that I remember. We were envied because we still had a coal fire in the living room and were therefore warmer than many.

I'm afraid if anyone expects me to ask their pronouns (or even give a fuck about what they are) then I'm immediately labelling them a brat. And will treat them accordingly.

"Hehim" I laughed very hard at that 

DH and I have just had a very amusing half hour role-playing various situations where we are going to use our pronouns culminating in him ringing the garage to ask when Zie's car would be ready. Shame people aren't woke enough to tell the difference between someone making a very important non binary point and someone sounding like they are putting on a fake Russian accent.

NoEffingIdea To be fair this seeemed to come out of universities in the USA especially and now has been introduced to schools via organizations NOT primarily from parents. Then the huge social media focus, which was not something we (if you are above 30) had to deal with as kids. A lot of parents are horrified or very confused. Lots of these organizations and promoters of this ideology try their best to leapfrog parents and even advise schools and kids to ignore parents.

FFS

Yes, liberal parenting. I don’t know about bigger things to worry about during the three day week blackouts etc, although I thought the candles were fun at the time,( probably much less fun for my parents). We are facing social and environmental catastrophe due to climate change, antibiotic resistance is on the horizon, terrorism, the return of the fascists etc. We do have huge things facing us as a species and yet the people who will be running parliament in a few years are crying about pronouns, flashing their willies about the place, dressing up as babies and essentially putting their fingers in their ears and singing lalalala at any comments from the grown ups.
It really does scare me.

Didn’t Louis XIV keep the nobles in check with elaborate rules and ceremonies requiring lots of expensive clothing and accessories? Kept them from rebelling because it tied up their time, money and energy.

Yes! Actions like this always make me think of stories about Stalin compelling exhausted officials to sing and dance at all hours - and they did it for fear of being added to purge lists. This extract from Archangel in which he compels members of the Politburo and one of his daughters to dance to the sound of howling/baying dogs - even pulling his daughter by her hair when she was too tired to continue.

books.google.co.uk/books?id=erBfSDj63CQC&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&dq=stalin+howling+dogs&source=bl&ots=IIZ17qICAn&sig=niHaKJCjdNxIs1tEO-TH-HxLWOo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwin8YyZ_pXeAhWEJ8AKHRW2BpoQ6AEwD3oECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=stalin%20howling%20dogs&f=false

Louis XIV, Stalin, and other absolutists share the same sort of indifference concerning their behaviour to others and their demands: the same abuse of power towards people frightened of losing their livelihood and even lives.

noeffingidea, I agree.

I have this idea that liberal parenting is the root cause of much of the inexplicable increase in mental health problems in young people.

Anyone else hearing the thread title to the tune of Eleanor Rigby?

To expand on my comment, kids (and adults) are glued to phones (handheld computers). So much ideology can completely leapfrog parents and encourages the (natural) egocentricity of pre-teen, teen and young adult age groups.

On the other hand my kids are not get any teaching on transgenderism in school and I discuss issues with them. I have three teens and none of them are buying any of the “pronoun” BS etc. Their schools encourage critical thinking and don’t bring in this crazy ideology though, so it helps that they are not being indoctrinated by teachers (which would naturally be very confusing for them if you tell them their teachers are wrong).

Eleanor Rigby

I'd like to have seen a kid in the 60's or 70's announce they were non binary or to 'respect my pronouns'.

I came home and announced to my mother that I was bisexual (long story and I'm not but I thought it was true at the time). Her response?

Good for you, dear. Put the kettle on, would you?

And that was that!