The homophobia of trans ideology.

[Uterusowner]

My DD has informed me there are 2 boys in her year, she's at an all girls school. Further questioning revealed the obvious and it's 2 girls transitioning, they're on tablets, binding breasts etc. My DD said they are both obvious lesbians.

So how the hell has someone persuaded 2 16 year old girls that if you're attracted to other girls you are in fact a bloke. Why are they not being encouraged to be comfortable in their own skin, why are they not being encouraged to appreciate what they are. What's wrong with being a lesbian?

I feel very sad when I think of what their futures will be.

Who the fuck has prescribed them medication? What kind of non thinking idiot would do that to a child?

I assume the parents are involved, why does trans ideology mean safe guarding goes out of the window?

My DD and her friends apparently think they're stupid, in a way I'm pleased they feel that way but makes me wonder if the girls are going to be isolated.

I don't think they're stupid but their peers do, which is very sad.

It astonishes me that supposedly intelligent people can't see how utterly homophobic this movement is at its heart.

You've got prominent gay men like Owen Jones and Peter Tatchell as its main cheerleaders.

Stonewall insisting that the word gay now includes homophobic straight people who don't actually want to see themselves as gay but want to have a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex. But it's okay, it is fine. Gay people just need to redefine themselves in order to accommodate the homophobes. It is just a small administrative change to what gay and lesbian actually are, so nothing to worry about.

Lesbians just need to accept men with penises as sexual partners and gay men just need to accept women with vaginas as sexual partners.

See, a tiny change in order to be inclusive. Same sex sexual orientation is now wrong. Move along, nothing to see here, you bigot.

There would have been riots on the streets 20 years ago if they had tried to pull this stuff then.

This is awful...they have probably been told that lesbians are the bigots if they reject lady dick, which gives them the only alternative...transition to be a boy/man.

I haven't fully read this article yet, I've just come across it, it may be appropriate here. "The Unspoken Homophobia Propelling the Transgender Movement in Children"

quillette.com/2018/10/23/the-unspoken-homophobia-propelling-the-transgender-movement-in-children/

My all girls school was extremely homophobic, not towards boys at the neighbouring school because they were just fun, camp mates for nights out, but the venom shot at anyone even vaguely suspected of being a lesbian was shocking. I know two girls who transitioned after leaving sixth form, and many many more who have now come out as lesbians. I can see how an all girl environment can make it very very difficult for those who don't conform to gender stereotypes, and nowadays they are easily groomed online into believing they need to become a boy because they aren't 'like other girls'. It's a very sad situation all around. I would encourage your DD to be sympathetic though, isolating them further isn't going to do anyone any good.

I think they have probably been groomed online.

It ties in with the idea that women should be fine with gay men in our spaces. Some men seem to have just about almost wrapped their heads around the idea that sexual predation is a problem, but are trying their hardest to deny that it has anything to do with men are a group.

Sarahjconnor

They think it's simply a matter of who is attracted to women, don't they? They've no idea whatsoever that it's about actual fear.

They also assume that lesbians' sexual habits are the same as men's - they don't seem to realise that almost all lesbians have absolutely no interest in even looking at other women in the changing rooms. I speak as one of them.

IME a lot of lesbians almost overcompensate and go out of their way to make it clear that they're not perving on other women in changing rooms etc. That was very much the case when I was at school and doing lots of sports.

There's also a sort of petulance to it, like how dare women not be uncomfortable being naked around lesbians but object to being naked around them even though these are in every way different things.

I actually had a very difficult experience with a lesbian teacher. Her subject was P.E. and we, as 14 y.os, became aware that she was looking at our bodies in a way that made us uncomfortable. She was also really horrible if you were having a period and couldn't participate.

So we started making her uncomfortable instead, by doing things that we thought might be provocative. Wearing our flimsiest knickers to do vaults, for instance. It was basically saying "we're on to you".

I know that lesbians are not usually like this, and we were never afraid of her, but that teacher used her power over us to stalk around the changing room staring at our adolescent bodies. It was horrible.

They assume that women being attracted to women is the same as the lecherous male gaze. They assume that anyone attracted to women must be doing it in the pornified, toxic patriarchal masculine way - therefore if we're worried about perverts then anyone with an attraction to females is an equal risk.

Of course, as men, they've never had to contemplate the idea that patriarchal masculine sexual attraction is not the only way to experience physical attraction, they have no idea about female solidarity, that lesbians as a class are a miniscule risk (especially when compared to men) and that women attracted to women are (at least) equally at risk from men as straight women are.

I should have said that we were never physically afraid of her, because we were well aware that the school would back her if we protested.

My DD was under the impression that now they were "boys" they'd be looking at the girls more and she doesn't want to be in changing rooms with them. I told her you can't change your DNA, they would always be girls and just because they're gay doesn't mean they're attracted to every girl going.

The more I think about it the more furious I feel.

just because they're gay doesn't mean they're attracted to every girl going.

Indeed! I remember being away on a work conference with an all-women group. One night, one of the women was wearing quite a low-cut top and she said - to our group - "None of you's that way, are you?"

A colleague who knew that I was, in fact, that way caught my eye and rolled her eyes so hard I was surprised they went back into place.

As I said to her afterwards, 'It's her sheer, bare-faced arrogance in thinking that if a woman's gay, she must be attracted to me' that gets me every time.

Yep, Vitriol. If you pay attention to which men seem baffled by the idea that lesbian sexuality is not the same as het male sexuality, nor is it experienced the same way by the women it's directed at, some distinct patterns begin to emerge. At which point the temptation to say "look, mate, just because your sexuality is broken and twisted doesn't mean that's universal" is sometimes too hard to resist.

I would assume that a lesbian wouldn't be interested in me, a straight older mum figure.

The gym teacher was just a particularly nasty woman and I'm quite certain her imitation of the male gaze is very unusual among lesbians. I can only assume she had a weird upbringing.

I have met a couple of really awesome lesbians through going to feminist meetings and now rush up to greet them. I've found listening to them educational.

It's very clear to me that it's a lot easier for them to be feminist in all their thinking because they're not as involved with men in their private lives, though of course they're DDs, DGDs and DSis just like other women.

I know my own views on some topics are very much influenced by my knowledge of the ideas and behaviour of men I'm very close to.

I also had a gym teacher (female) who was a bit creepy. Was never actually scared of her because she was female, so would have a much harder time overpowering me than a man would, and also less likely to escalate from looking to touching anyway, because both female socialization and the fact that society doesn't enable women in being predatory in the way it does men. If a lesbian teacher molested a student you wouldn't get the sort of excuse making and attempts to minimize the predation that happen when a male teacher does so. Predatory men know and depend on society's reluctance to challenge their behavior and tendency to blame the victim.

They think it's simply a matter of who is attracted to women, don't they? They've no idea whatsoever that it's about actual fear.

Rape is about power and opportunity, not sexual attraction. It’s not about men overcome with lust.

Most prison rapes are committed by straight men. Just because a gay man isn’t sexually attracted to you doesn’t mean they could never rape a woman to humiliate and degrade them.

The trans issue has exposed a deep current of misogyny in the gay community.

We don’t segregate by sexual attraction and more than we segregate by gender. It’s about sex.

This is awful...they have probably been told that lesbians are the bigots if they reject lady dick, which gives them the only alternative...transition to be a boy/man.

My god, it's so obvious when you put it that way.
What option do they have? Be a 'good lesbian ally' and do their 'duty' (as I've seen it called) to date trans women, or otherwise be a 'terf' and take all the abuse that goes with it.
These poor girls. My heart breaks for them.