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The homophobia of trans ideology.

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Uterusowner · 28/10/2018 12:35

My DD has informed me there are 2 boys in her year, she's at an all girls school. Further questioning revealed the obvious and it's 2 girls transitioning, they're on tablets, binding breasts etc. My DD said they are both obvious lesbians.

So how the hell has someone persuaded 2 16 year old girls that if you're attracted to other girls you are in fact a bloke. Why are they not being encouraged to be comfortable in their own skin, why are they not being encouraged to appreciate what they are. What's wrong with being a lesbian?

I feel very sad when I think of what their futures will be.

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AngryAttackKittens · 28/10/2018 14:32

"Duty"

Where's that vomiting smiley when we need it?

WomanAndProud · 28/10/2018 15:51

The problem with this entire thing - also applying to the specific homophobic/misogynist element - is that critical thinking has gone out the window. In the longer term, the best we can do for our kids is to teach them to question everything (even if it's bloody annoying when they question us all the time ) and think for them selves in logical ways. Not to dismiss emotion at all, but to say Ok, this is a feeling, this is logic, now why or how did each arise and can the two meet, if not, why not and what options are there, again, why and why not.

Every time i broach the topic of lesbians being told that if they don't accept lady cock I'm either looked at like I'm nuts (as in "Bobosy would seriously think that anyway, you're just in some dodgy corner of the Internet") or that I'm a bigot. There's also the idea that as I'm not a lesbian, why should I be bothered (which really bloody annoys me). But none of these standpoints come with an ounce of logic, nor do they come from anybody willing to listen to any. And these are often older women who consider themselves feminists.

VickyEadie · 28/10/2018 16:04

There's also the idea that as I'm not a lesbian, why should I be bothered (which really bloody annoys me).

To which the only response is "So, you only care about issues which directly affect you personally, do you?"

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Uterusowner · 28/10/2018 16:06

My DD said they were on drugs but I didn't ask what. They're only 16 so I'm not sure what they would be allowed to take. I'm just deeply saddened that they can't just be gay and attracted to the same sex.

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FloralBunting · 28/10/2018 17:54

When I was about 11 years old, I was a tall skinny flat-chested girl with a very short scruffy haircut struggling with being attracted to girls in the 80's. I vividly remember a conversation I had with some girls I met in a park, one of whom I took a shine to, and in it, I was desperate to be seen as male because I knew that she wouldn't be interested in me if I was female. At that age, the distinction between sexes isn't at all marked, so I got away with it for a while, but obviously not for long, not least when my mum called my name and the jig was up.

It's only a brief moment from decades ago, but I can still remember how pervasive that feeling of "I can't like girls, only boys like girls, and girls are supposed to like boys." was. It's really, really not hard to imagine the leap from that feeling to embracing the idea that my same-sex attraction was an indication of some enormous identity mix up - especially as 'being born in the wrong body' would have solved all that guilt about it by providing an explanation for the 'mistake'.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 28/10/2018 19:52

Someone asked me why I didn't want men who identify as women in the changing room with me if I wasn't bothered about sharing space with lesbians.

I asked whether she was more on her guard when a man was following her down a dark and lonely road or more if it was a woman.

She didn't answer. Couldn't lie. Just looked at her feet. As DH used to say, answer that and stay fashionable.

No one is frightened of the lesbian in the dark empty car park.

bangandthedirtisgon · 28/10/2018 19:58

What "tablets" are they on?

I ask because my DH takes prescribed testosterone due to an endrocronogical issue and it's a gel he has to rub on, only alternative he's aware of is an injection.

I thought Lupron was also injectable.

I think facts are very important here.

bangandthedirtisgon · 28/10/2018 20:03

As GC as I am I take issue with the tone of your op:

" Further questioning revealed the obvious and it's 2 girls transitioning, they're on tablets, binding breasts etc."

Present facts, please. Hyperbole isn't helpful.

Turph · 28/10/2018 20:41

Two minutes searching for "FtM tablets" gives me links to testosterone boosters: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MR-FTM-TESTOSTERONE-BOOSTER-PILLS-MASCULINE-MALE-T-HORMONE-LGBT-TRANS-/173448719373
I doubt they'd work on a female. Maybe oral steroids? Dianabol is pretty easily obtainable online. Or maybe they're not taking tablets but say they are (16 year olds!)

FloralBunting · 28/10/2018 20:44

Well, yes, I don't think the OP was meant to be an extensive run down of the medical histories of the people in question. It's a pen sketch to illustrate that these are young people well on the way down the path of trans identity.

bangandthedirtisgon · 28/10/2018 21:12

"My DD said they are both obvious lesbians.

So how the hell has someone persuaded 2 16 year old girls that if you're attracted to other girls you are in fact a bloke"

A 16 year old drew a conclusion. So let's all froth.

bangandthedirtisgon · 28/10/2018 21:19

"My Dd says they're obvious lesbians"

"My Dd says they're on drugs"

and this means that:

"someone persuaded 2 16 year old girls that if you're attracted to other girls you are in fact a bloke."

Because my DD says so.

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Uterusowner · 28/10/2018 21:22

Thank you Floral.

No hyperbole, all girls school, girls in question open about it all but only to the extent they say they are taking drugs, could be recreational drugs, they could be lying and showing off to their peers. The fact is they are claiming they are boys.

I'm just appalled that being a lesbian means you are by default male and I'd like to know who has persuaded these girls that they are actually trans men.

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bangandthedirtisgon · 28/10/2018 21:25

"I'm just appalled that being a lesbian means you are by default male"

And you know that they are lesbians because?

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Uterusowner · 28/10/2018 21:29

Crossed posts Bang. No frothing, just statements of fact from my DD and her friends. I'm not going to go into too much detail, although I could, sorry to disappoint.

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FloralBunting · 28/10/2018 21:31

Perhaps them being females who made no secret of being attracted to females means that some of their peers understand them to be lesbians. This is not unheard of.

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Uterusowner · 28/10/2018 21:33

Again thank you FloralBunting.

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bangandthedirtisgon · 28/10/2018 21:40

"their peers understand them to be lesbians"

being the key point.

The parent of their peers posting on MN that someone has

" persuaded 2 16 year old girls that if you're attracted to other girls you are in fact a bloke"

is conflation.

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Uterusowner · 28/10/2018 21:45

Thanks to everyone who understood what my point was and you have posted incredible things.

I'm going to hide this thread and suggest all the sensible people do the same because an under bridge dweller has appeared.

Bangandthedirt I suggest you buy some depilatory cream for your obviously hairy hands.

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bangandthedirtisgon · 28/10/2018 21:49

I am gender critical, uterusowner.

I think your post is hyperbolic and if GC feminists are to call to account the holes in TRA accounts then we should be prepared to defend statements of fact we make ourselves.

You've taken an assumption made by your 16 year old and claimed (without evidence) that it proves persuasion towards transitioning.

Where is your evidence base?

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 28/10/2018 21:52

Aye aye Uterusowner. Grin

bangandthedirtisgon · 28/10/2018 21:55

"my Dd said, and she said, and her friend said and this MUST mean..."

And if you don't agree you're a troll (as opposed to an academic with a critical mind who understands the sentiment with which you type but finds your evidence base sadly lacking).

bangandthedirtisgon · 28/10/2018 21:59

"Bangandthedirt I suggest you buy some depilatory cream for your obviously hairy hands."

And this is the standard of debate now? I am gender critical, as I have stated. I just don''t agree that your 16 yo's opinion that some other 16 year olds are lesbians PROVES that someone has PERSUADED them that they are in fact blokes.

And I'm called hairy handed and the thread deserves hiding because of that?

On a forum I have been proud to support for fighting the "no debate" stance.

Disappear both, please do.

FloralBunting · 28/10/2018 22:04

bang, I'm not really sure what point you're making here? You don't think there is a fairly vicious streak of homophobia in the trans movement? You are objecting that there isn't more detail from the OP to discuss specifics?

bangandthedirtisgon · 28/10/2018 22:10

I think the OP is gossiping over the garden fence and claiming it as evidence of trans ideology.