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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Peter Tatchell Again. More blaming women for male violence

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SunsetBeetch · 28/10/2018 10:03

Man found guilty of murdering #trans woman Naomi Hersi. She's the latest of many trans people murdered. Yet some critics of the #GRA reforms portray all trans women as potential rapists & killers. Vile anti-trans BIGOTRY! t.co/KrH5aFUPZ3

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NotaRealLawyer · 10/11/2018 19:43

He is presently posting on this thread in AIBU, he is not the OP.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3419058-Peter-Tatchell-excusing-sex-with-kids

AnyFucker · 10/11/2018 19:48

Yeah, Peter rocked up over there.

AspieAndProud · 10/11/2018 20:52

I don’t know if he’s reading the replies but it’s a useful opportunity to raise issues on AIBU that those who don’t frequent this corner of MN might not be as aware of.

NotaRealLawyer · 10/11/2018 21:07

Good point Aspie

VickyEadie · 10/11/2018 21:10

I've raised the fact he called us "non-transwomen" on Twitter.

NotaRealLawyer · 10/11/2018 21:50

I got the courage up to go and post there. I feel a bit sick, but will be ok.

AspieAndProud · 10/11/2018 22:12

‘Non-transwomen’ includes women and all men who don’t think they are women.

And transmen for that matter.

The only people it excludes is transwomen.

I’m sure there’s a word for people who exclude transwomen.

Melamin · 11/11/2018 15:29

women = non men (Greens)
women = non transwomen (Tatchell)

Therefore, non women = men + transwomen PDQ Wink

arranfan · 11/11/2018 15:36

Tatchell is tweeting 2 current job opportunities with his foundation:

TWO JOB VACANCIES: Want to join our Peter Tatchell Foundation human rights team? We’re recruiting an Operations Director and an Advocacy & Press Manager. INFO on the jobs & how to apply: www.petertatchellfoundation.org/jobs To find out what we do, see the PTF website: www.petertatchellfoundation.org

twitter.com/PeterTatchell/status/1061628386630688768

NotaRealLawyer · 11/11/2018 16:09

Fuck me I'm tempted.
I'd defo get an interview. I like living in the back of beyond though.
He was crying poverty a decade ago, before he invented his Foundation. Now he is doing nicely thank you.

NotaRealLawyer · 11/11/2018 16:11

ps I'm also fussy about whom I work with these days I might add!

arranfan · 11/11/2018 16:15

I'd defo get an interview.

Please apply! It would be so helpful to know how they're interviewing and it's not a given that people would have to be present in the office as remote working is feasible (if you don't mean you're in the mountains or other notorious dead spots).

NotaRealLawyer · 11/11/2018 16:26

I know, I'd love to know also.
It's a hell of a schlep to London, with a disability tbh.Wink
I'll go and see if Baldric has a cunning plan somewhere......

SunsetBeetch · 11/11/2018 19:16

Just a grown man, talking to a 14 year old boy about his sex life.

www.petertatchell.net/lgbt_rights/age_of_consent/im-14-im-gay-i-want-a-boyfriend/

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NotaRealLawyer · 11/11/2018 20:01

Jeez. That's horrible to read Sunset
The language used about him looking "mature beyond his years"Shock

SunsetBeetch · 11/11/2018 20:09

Yes it made my skin crawl.

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NotaRealLawyer · 11/11/2018 20:25

My skin is crawling too
I need a bath. Take care you Flowers

boldlygoingsomewhere · 11/11/2018 20:26

That article is unbelievable. Red flags everywhere.

ArcheryAnnie · 11/11/2018 20:55

Fucking hell. A kid of 14, who has "been having sex with men" since he was 12, and "likes men in their 20s or early 30s".

Peter writes "Lee has a serious problem". Amazingly, Peter thinks that Lee's "serious problem" isn't that he's been groomed by child abusers as he was a child groomed into prostitution by an older child, and raped by adult men, but that if an adult man in his 20s or 30 abuses Lee, that adult man may fall afoul of the law.

Any man in his 20s or 30s who does have sex with Lee - ie rape, because however enthusiastic Lee is, he cannot meaningfully consent, because he is a child - should bloody fall afoul of the law.

Another bit which really gave me the chills, though, was this bit:

The relationship with John did not, however, stop Lee from experimenting with heterosexuality. “I had sex with John’s twin sister. He found out and got very angry. He stormed out. For a while we weren’t speaking. We made up afterwards.

This is when Lee was eight, and his friend John was eight. Which means John's twin sister was also eight. An eight year old girl gets sexually abused by her brother's friend, and it ends up as a little anecdote in this heartwarming story of a boy's serious sexual abuse by adult men.

Peter also writes this:

Even with a permitted one year age differential, Lee’s affair with Andrew, who was three years older, would not have been legal. Something a bit more flexible is required.

Well, I'm sure all us mumsnetters agree that the next big civil rights campaign we all jump on should be the legal right of 14 year old boys to rape 11 year old boys. Fucking hell.

I genuinely went back to this webpage a couple of times to try and ensure it wasn't some kind of stitch-up or spoof, because surely, surely, even Peter Fucking Tatchell couldn't be this obtuse, this ignorant, of the realities of child abuse?

Peter, you can post all the weaselly little disclaimers you like at the top of this bullshit child abuse apologia, but we see you.

NotaRealLawyer · 11/11/2018 21:00

I think it got missed on the AIBU thread.
Might be worth putting your comments there Annie? I over posted on there I think.Blush
AspieandProud made a good point about it being seen by others better.
I couldn't read as far as the twin sister, too much in one day for me.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 11/11/2018 21:32

What a vile, vile article. I hope it gets the widest possible circulation so that many, like me, entirely revise their opinion of the man. Scum. Creepy, creepy scum. A man who wants to believe what it suits him to believe about CSA. Angry

nauticant · 11/11/2018 22:24

Look at the messages we're getting:
we must accept self-identification;
the enforcement of boundaries for children must be taken away from parents;
we mustn't be kink-phobic.

The intersections here are horrific. Not all intersections are about people, especially vulnerable people, being enabled to lead safe and healthy lives.

FloralBunting · 11/11/2018 22:40

I'm sorry, but what they heck did I just read? An eight year old boy is having sex with his eight year old friend, and also has sex with his friend's eight year old sister, and this is presented as just something to make us question whether children can consent to sex? The boy in question ends up being taken into care, so clearly there are some pretty big issues, and he ends up as a rent boy at under 14 years old, and Tatchell is offering this up as a liberated tale about children being sexual?

It surely can't just be me reading that as a horrific tale of neglect and abuse? Shock

Justhadathought · 11/11/2018 22:51

This is just awful! Many young boys who are sexually abused by older 'boys or men become very confused and conflicted about their sexuality as adults. I know this from personal experience. The father of my daughter was abused by catholic school teachers and priests from an early age. He grew up seeing himself as bisexual; was very angry; ended up prostituting himself to men; and died age 24.

What Peter Tatchell describes is a classic case of child grooming and sexual abuse.

teawamutu · 12/11/2018 07:07

FloralBunting, it wasn't just you. Ive been trying to put my horror into words but you nailed it.

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