Poll: 52% of people consider a person who was born male and has male genitalia but identifies as a woman to be a man

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Interesting results. It's a properly conducted opinion poll which Helen Staniland crowdfunded. I've got to go in a minute so can't post all the headline findings. Maybe somebody else could do that?

Re young people and students it's an indication of how much abuse women are getting in colleges if they don't conform, if a quarter of your cohort are putting themselves out there saying you are transphobic you are going to be intimidated.

At the same time we have to read this data which proposes the following conclusion:

While it is possible that a general rise in voyeuristic sexual offenses relative to other offenses may account for some of this increase, the magnitude and precise timing of the increase suggests that Target’s genderinclusion policy accounts for the bulk of it. The most likely hypothesis to explain our findings is that Target’s policy signaled to sexual offenders that voyeuristic offenses would be easier to perpetrate in their stores than elsewhere. This study demonstrates that gender-inclusion policies can bring about increased harm to women and children.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3403537-Gender-Inclusion-Policies-and-Sexual-Violence-A-Longitudinal-Analysis-of-Media-Reports-at-Target-Stores

If we consider that 1 in 3, 18 to 24 year old are in full time education, there's still a lot of students who don't agree with all of this.

My kids were two of those and I'll say what I always say - they weren't turned off wokeness by a commitment to women's rights but they were turned off wokeness by the relentless misery and acute authoritarianism. I think, if the students who aren't supporting this are like my kids, they just abandon student politics/societies rather than hang around and argue an opposite case.

I think, if the students who aren't supporting this are like my kids, they just abandon student politics/societies rather than hang around and argue an opposite case.

Students with a full timetable - who tend to be the scientists, engineers etc - have less time to engage in student politics than others. I'm sure this is part of the reason for the Pomo-addled wokeness of the noises we hear from unis.

Somewhere I saw a comment that one uni has 'gender neutral' loos in the sociology dept but separate sexes in Physics. That's the other thing... the STEM side still suffers from old fashioned sexism, which they're trying to combat - so paradoxically may be more alert to discrimination against their young women. And young women who experience old fashioned sexism are liable to have a clearer view of feminist issues which others (in departments where women outnumber men) are still blissfully unaware of.

Twenty years ago I avoid student politics like the plague cos it was just nutters. They either wanted to ban all alcohol from the university campus for religious reasons or were otherwise pretty extreme in their politics.

My politics was more centred around music at that age. It carried all that sense of injustice and a community in which you could feel part of whilst you worked out who you were.

I think the decline of that part of our culture is possibly a contributor.

I think we had a student rep, but we didn't have any time for politics at all, we were either in the lecture theatre or on a field trip up a mountain somewhere! We were also located a distance from the main campus so we didn't really have any contact with 'students'. Even course politics wise we had very close relationships with the lecturers, we'd go to them direct for any issues, we didn't really need the union.

Mine was science based course. 'Student politics' was generally seen as something that would be harmful to your career because most of the jobs in industry were in 'environmentally unfriendly' sectors

I gave student politics a wide berth at university too. It seemed full of people who were doing it as the first step to becoming an MP; those who were doing it to avoid going into the real world (because our union was big and wealthy enough to have several full-time, paid posts); and blue-haired weirdos. Seems that the latter group have taken over in most places these days

Although I had plenty of friends when I was a student we tended to avoid studenty stuff. ‘Fancy going such and such a pub?’ ‘Nah, it’s full of students.’ ‘How about that gig that was advertised?’ ‘Nope, it will be full of students.’ ‘Did you go to your English tutorial?’ ‘No. Fucking students.’

Lol aspie, sounds Iike me and half term activities. Can't face it, it'll be stuffed full of kids.