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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What about the transmen?

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PerverseConverse · 23/10/2018 22:34

I've been wondering for a while about how transmen are doing and what their wishes and views are in a world where transwomen have the platform. Does anyone know? I feel really ignorant but I've not seen anything in the press or online and it's as though they don't matter somehow. I don't see them kicking up a fuss and demanding anything. Why is that?

On another thread (I'm a gay man AMA) the OP was asked several questions about trans issues and he declared TWAW: no conversation needed. Or no debate, whichever. Of particular interest was that he said transmen were men but because they had a vagina he wasn't attracted to them. He couldn't explain why apart from some nonsense comparing having a vagina to having a certain hair colour and preferring people with a different hair colour. He couldn't explain because without having to admit that if someone has a vagina then they can't be a man. In the end he got cross and said TWAW, TMAM and why aren't you asking about transmen, you're pretty sexist because you're not.

So whilst his thread got me thinking even more, I promise this isn't a TAAT!

Where are all the transmen? How many are there compared to transwomen? (I mean adults, not adolescents, btw as I think adolescent transboys (?) are worthy of a thread all to themselves as the issues there are so complex, yet in my opinion boils down to one thing: patriarchy. ) How are transmen affected in day to day life and by what is happening with regards to the GRA and TRAs?

They are so quiet in all this and their voices need to be heard. I fear they won't get one though as will be still classed as women and therefore not allowed a voice. I suspect people are more likely to accept thar transwomen are women but think of transmen as still women.

Hope I've made some sense in all that!

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wacademia · 16/08/2019 17:58

Why would FTMs set out to harm other females? It makes no sense to me. What do they gain from it?

AlessandraAsteriti · 16/08/2019 18:05

They only make the news when they get pregnant and have a baby.

FWRLurker · 16/08/2019 18:15

I follow Buck Angel on Twitter - he is a porn star and a true transsexual / “truscum” so an interesting one to watch. He gets a LOT of flack on Twitter for rejecting NB and non transitioning trans people as trendy (and dangerous) nonsense. He also cares a lot about medical issues with transitioning. The only thing I really disagree with him on is that he does believe one becomes the opposite sex upon transitioning “fully”.

Anyway, there’s also a LOT of former ftm detrans women. Sadly a growing community.

OldCrone · 16/08/2019 18:24

Why would FTMs set out to harm other females?

Internalised misogyny? They view women as inferior and being female as an inferior state, so they want to escape that. Since they see women as inferior, and they don't identify with them, or believe themselves to be women, they see no problem with helping to promote an ideology which harms women.

I'm just speculating, as I'm not sure any FtMs have explained this.

marfisa · 16/08/2019 18:28

Transmen are men, transwomen are women.

It's really not complicated unless people insist on complicating it.

NonnyMouse1337 · 16/08/2019 18:32

marfisa and the earth is flat and vaccines cause autism. Parroting a line over and over again doesn't make something true.

terryleather · 16/08/2019 18:36

Go home everyone, marfisa's explained it all!!!!!!

Lordamighty · 16/08/2019 18:43

Trans men are adult female transsexuals & trans women are adult male transsexuals. Denying biology is delusional.

Wurzelsnewhead · 16/08/2019 19:34

Helping you out here Marfisa: women are women, men are men.

NotAtMyAge · 16/08/2019 21:40

Transwomen are transwomen, biologically male but mostly (not always) presenting as female. Transmen are transmen, biologically female, but (to my knowledge) always presenting as male. It really isn't difficult marisa and helps us all know which way is up.

FloridaOrange · 16/08/2019 22:17

Marfisa get real hon!

FloridaOrange · 16/08/2019 22:22

ive delivered babies via my birth canal Maefisa, face facts. All we ask is recognition of biological reality. I worked in a neuroscience department. If we wanted rat brains, the animal house put a male rat with a female rat. Bob's your Monkhouse.

FloridaOrange · 16/08/2019 22:25

No male will ever give birth. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

terfsandwich · 16/08/2019 22:43

I have a transman relative in their mid thirties. They is not an assertive person, and lives quietly with their lesbian partner, who of course is no longer a lesbian - she must now be "queer". They appears quite markedly to have autistic traits and looks visibly unwell/frail from the treatment. FB feed all about cats when it's not TRA nonsense.

This might be why many are not in public life. I read this is quite a typical example.

Voice0fReason · 16/08/2019 23:17

Transmen do often pass more successfully than transwomen, but passing all goes out the window when they take their clothes off.
A transman will never have a functioning penis and that is going to matter to pretty much all potential partners.

The transman in this article complains that women ask him about his genitals when they talk on Tinder.
www.independent.ie/life/it-will-be-an-absolute-release-transgender-fair-city-actor-discusses-mastectomy-38379475.html

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