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Why can’t all women see the dangers?

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Couragetocourage · 23/10/2018 19:59

I’m having another wobble about all this. I’m watching women I agree with in almost every other political view, and yet they disagree with me about the dangers of self-ID. Why can’t they see it? I understand why men can’t, but women? Labour women MPs, who clearly have thought about the issue, disagree about the dangers. Why? we're not wrong are we!?

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BlatheringWuther · 24/10/2018 19:26

It's inverted totalitarianism in play isn't it? Here's that concept explained in a different arena (I find it easier there)
kittysjones.wordpress.com/2015/07/28/inverted-totalitarianism-and-neoliberalism-oh-dear/
and on wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism

merrymouse · 24/10/2018 19:42

I can understand women arguing that they don’t mind unisex toilets and not being able to make the empathetic leap to understand why unisex services and facilities aren’t always appropriate. That is just a failure if imagination.

I can’t understand why any feminist wouldn’t be able to see that no protection or service for women can be logically justified if ‘women’ has no objective definition.

ShotsFired · 24/10/2018 19:56

Even if - EVEN IF - you didn't really get the issue, if you saw a whole bunch of women who you knew to be intelligent and well-read, and they were saying "HANG ON, there is a big problem here", wouldn't you at least want to know what they were on about before you dismissed it?

Couragetocourage · 24/10/2018 19:56

Jurgen, not every woman shares the same taste in music, or favourite foods, or political opinions, or interests etc. Every woman alive knows that some men are dangerous and threat to them. HTH.

userbla, yes, why? When the risks are so obvious? I wish there had been an answer of 'because x will happen to ensure that men with bad intentions cannot exploit the loophole in the law to gain access to women's spaces which women are lawfully entitled to'.

Some really interesting replies, thank you.

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Couragetocourage · 24/10/2018 19:58

Even if - EVEN IF - you didn't really get the issue, if you saw a whole bunch of women who you knew to be intelligent and well-read, and they were saying "HANG ON, there is a big problem here", wouldn't you at least want to know what they were on about before you dismissed it?

Indeed. Why in God's name would so many tolerant, intelligent women all simultaneously decide to be raging bigots overnight?

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