Why can’t all women see the dangers?

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I’m having another wobble about all this. I’m watching women I agree with in almost every other political view, and yet they disagree with me about the dangers of self-ID. Why can’t they see it? I understand why men can’t, but women? Labour women MPs, who clearly have thought about the issue, disagree about the dangers. Why? we're not wrong are we!?

Gulags off topic I know but I did smile when I saw your post. Big Parma (mmm, lovely ham...)

These social networks and hiveminds have been pandered to for so long now, and are viewed as having primacy over actual learning in education.

Yes, I agree. The insistence on constant "groupwork" in education really worries me, as it seemed to be undermining DD2's confidence in coming to her own opinions. Promoting an emphasis on consensus and fitting in over anything else. Also the idea promoted by some education ideologues that children can learn as much from each other as from the teacher or from a textbook. The absence of textbooks. The promotion of postmodernist views about the fluidity of reality in her humanities courses.

ResistanceIsNecessary Oh Gawd, Im a bugger for typos yes beware Italian ham is taking over the world.
Right Im going to shut up now, I don't want to derail.

the insistence on constant "groupwork" .. emphasis on consensus and fitting in over anything else. Also the idea promoted by some education ideologues that children can learn as much from each other as from the teacher or from a textbook.

I agree -worrying.

DD2, 9, was put in group recently- she ended up doing the reseach producing the slides and being given the smallest amount to present ie read out her hand written notes to go with her sliodes- the two boys taking most of it and her being told to go along with it.

They were told it was great group work - not two boys being allowed to share credit for her work.

I have a friend who flat out refuses to accept there can be any danger, because she hasn't experienced it. More than that, she goes on to dismiss everyone who mentions concerns and says we're basically making it up. A real woke-maiden.

All wrapped in this strangely uber-reasonable tone of "you too could all be as cool and accepting as me if only you tried".

So more than once recently I have been ITCHING to comment on her own posts about a very serious women's issue in her area with "nah, I think you're brewing a storm in a teacup, I've seen no evidence of that at all"

(if it weren't for the fact I find it easy to believe her when she says it is a big deal, and there will be women affected negatively by it)

I guess the 'good' thing about women like her is that once she sees it in action, she will be loudly announcing it to the world.

I think group work has its place but I am concerned that it's being used as a teaching tool to control large classes of children - by seating 'quiet' or 'studious' or 'diligent' children with 'easily distracted' or 'slower' or 'can be disruptive' children.

Not a criticism by and large of teachers, who are doing a bloody tough job with not near enough funding, support and far too much interference. However if you have a very large class of children it's easy to put them into groups to work and rely on some to 'police' the others and get everyone through the results that are needed. Especially when this style of learning is being pushed and promoted by the state.

The issue being that it's bloody unfair to the kids who want to learn, to make them responsible for another child's behaviour. It's also well known that girls are commonly in the back seat when making decisions and presenting in mixed-sex groups, regardless of how much of the work they have done.

LOL. You lot insist you that nobody is trans because you cannot see how trans people feel inside, but you expect other people to see non-existent dangers.

Women are trained to be nice and put others first. I read research saying girls are far more likely than boys to say they must put others before themselves. I think this is part of it. Cultural ingraining to be nice and 'inclusive'. I see this starting already in children aged 3 that I work with.

Wanting to be liked and fear of being disliked.

Not imagining it ever affecting you.

Lack of empathy for women you don't see as being 'like you' (prisoners, working class women in refuges/ homeless women in women's accommodation).

Regarding yourself as a certain type of person, and thinking people like you think this.

Having a commitment to a vague and ill thought through notion of 'inclusiveness'.n

Political cynicism, from politicians not wanting to speak out.

LOL. You lot insist you that nobody is trans because you cannot see how trans people feel inside, but you expect other people to see non-existent dangers.

But if TWAW then we know how they feel, surely? If being a woman is the "innate sense of feeling like a woman" (courtesy of GG UK) then how do transwomens feelings "inside" differ?

And the dangers are not non-existent. Karen White?

For a brilliant example of how the trans ideology just falls straight over its own feet as soon as you start to unpack the commentary...

(Jump to 9 minutes and the person interrupts, and then sits down to discuss with the filmmaker.)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3401708-there-are-only-two-genders-change-my-mind?msgid=81991647

Who says that trans doesn't exist (LOL my arse)?

Yes, the dangers really aren't non-existent, google Karen White, Christopher Hambrook, the times investigation into sexual crimes in 'gender neutral' changing rooms, Sean Patrick Smith, nine women in homeless shelter california.

These are active sex offenders who used the move from sex to gender segregation to find and assault victims. These women would have remained safe in sex segregation.

Then there are women who are rape survivors who are traumatised by being required to share women only spaces with TW who are visibly male - google Kristi Hanna.

I cannot understand people who continue to say 'it never happens' even though it IS happening, just as was predicted. Sex segregated spaces were to protect women and girls from sexual assault. Removing sex segregated spaces has, predictably, given male sexual predators a chance to target women.

It is not anti-trans to say this This is not about transpeople. It is about male sexual predators.

Or Tanya Love. Although they (and they boyfriend) seem to be menacing Maninpink full time these days.

You put women upon a pedestal as some beacon of rationality and clear though, and really, they aren't. They are just humans with their own quirks and thoughts.

FFS. I know what women are. I am one.

People can 'identity' how they like, but they shouldn't have the 'right' to have it enshrined in law, and to use their assumed 'identity' to trample on other people's real rights as vulnerable people.

How dare that part-time 'woman' accept a top women in business award, knowing that it means a born woman will miss out? Knowing that women are massively underrepresented in business still, absolutely due to being blocked because of their sex. Wtf!

100 influential BAME origin people results came out today. Do you think there's a 'BAME identifying' Caucasian on that list who sometimes goes to work in an Afro wig? I doubt it!

Sorry responding to @MsVanillaRoseAuntof7

Oh crikey, Charley50, I wouldn't bother doing that.

Lol 

I do sort of see where Jurgen is coming from. I think the reasons women can't see the dangers include all the reasons stated here but I think we're naive if we think they SHOULD see the reasons just because they're women.

I was attacked at Uni by a man who lay in wait and dragged me into an alleyway. My friend still insisted on walking home a couple of miles on her own through woods late at night despite knowing he was still on the loose (I offered her a lift or my floor to sleep on). She just did not accept she was at risk. I think some people have to experience something themselves to understand a risk and that applies to men and women.

However, I would say that most sensible men and women do think that self-ID is a crazy idea when they look at the facts (even if they don't like admitting it). The problem is that a lot of the mainstream media aren't giving them the facts.

Thank you VanillaRose for identifying the problem. That we must all concern ourselves with how certain vocal individuals 'feel on the inside' rather more than with our actual experiences of outside reality.

And then go and take a running hike with it. Perhaps you can identify yourself out of falling off the cliff.

Promoting an emphasis on consensus and fitting in over anything else.

This is exactly what is happening isn't it. The Romans, faced with widespread discontent as their society grew and became unequal, re-invented christianity to do it, to maintain some sort of social consensus and order. Somehow, we're doing it to ourselves without a forced religion.

Why can't ALL women see the danger?

'Women are not a hive mind.'

FFS. I know what women are. I am one.

Lol.

‘Why doesn’t everyone agree with me?!?!?’

I don't know why. I really don't. I didn't follow the "trans" threads on here for ages because I thought it didn't concern me plus FWR was scary .
As soon as I saw the facts I knew in my heart self id was wrong wrong wrong FOR WOMEN and I have never doubted that.
But then, I think I missed a "female socialisation" memo somewhere along the line as I don't give a shit abut being nice or about what other people think.
I think women don't have dicks, so sue me.
I'm guessing other women are "nicer" than me, that's all.