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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Excellent response to Stephen Paton article in the National

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breastfeedingclownfish · 22/10/2018 16:09

www.thenational.scot/news/16997887.letters-its-naive-to-think-gender-self-id-wouldnt-be-abused/

Stephen cites a list of feminist organisations who agree that self-ID is a good thing that will not hurt women. This is often used by those who would strip women of their hard-fought-for rights as a “gotcha” to prove that we are hysterical and that the feminist organisations who represent us think it’s OK, so so should we.

"The major point that Stephen misses is just how reliant on trust and statutory funding most of these women’s organisations are.

Just a few months ago Glasgow Rape Crisis lost funding, reportedly for not being inclusive enough of men. These are organisations that exist on a shoestring as it is, and they cannot afford to do anything other than toe the party line. I’d suggest that a better, more honest exercise, would be to ask the service users of these organisations – real women, who have often been abused horrifically by men, and who are left vulnerable and afraid – how they feel about men being allowed to share women-only services and spaces. "

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BigotedWoman · 22/10/2018 16:14

Thanks for sharing. The contrast between their letter and Tim's below is stark.

Ereshkigal · 22/10/2018 16:43

I’d suggest that a better, more honest exercise, would be to ask the service users of these organisations – real women, who have often been abused horrifically by men, and who are left vulnerable and afraid – how they feel about men being allowed to share women-only services and spaces. "

As FPFW did.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/FPFWreportt_19SEPT2018.pdf

XXwoman · 22/10/2018 19:32

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/10/2018 22:16

Yip.

This "women's aid says it's fine" really pisses me off.

It's financial coercion - and that's against the law.

Fucking manipulative bastards.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 22/10/2018 22:47

James Morton (sp?) explained at a trans conference that manipulating women's organisations into saying they were trans-inclusive was part of a deliberate strategy.

Which we all knew anyway, but nice to have it confirmed.

littlbrowndog · 22/10/2018 22:50

Yeps exactly.
You don’t let the new women in you don’t get the funding
Fuckers

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