Rachel McKinnon story has made the Daily Mail

[MyEyesAreNotDeceivingMe]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6296975/American-cyclist-lashes-losing-world-championship-trans-woman-wont-accept-apology.html

It’s worth clicking on to read the comments.

This

(Hopefully )

I can't see one comment supporting McKinnon's "win". The public are not having any of this.

I read that as somebody deciding that getting into a feud with McKinnon will be time consuming and pointless when no rules were broken. More productive to explain why the rules are unfair and fight for change. I think she is gracefully taking the high road.

McKinnon responded to that tweet by refusing to accept the apology...

All evidence points to them being a bad sport Rodger, in all senses of the word!

Oh no i don't mean to give the impression that i was criticising her merry

Really sorry if thats how it reads (which is ironic) i just think its dreadful that she needed to d that

Callmejudith
It's the first time I've seen the video linked to in the article.

Ohmigod I hadn't noticed it until you posted about it. Big fucking man striding to the podium and struggling to get the winner's jersey on over the big man's shoulders and chest.

And a grovelling apology wasn't good enough for him, he still had to put the boot in.

I can’t understand why any of the women competitors agreed to race against a bloke. Whatever his current testosterone level, he has a male cardiac output, male size lungs and male muscle bulk. He’s basically cheating by claiming to “identify as” or “feel like” a woman in order to have an unfair advantage in an event he should never have been allowed to enter. His body is still totally bloody male, whatever his delusions or “gender feelz” say.
If this is allowed to continue, it’s the death of women’s sport in every single area of competition. Can you imagine the next fucking Olympics? It will be men’s events and er... men pretending to be women’s events.
Real women won’t get a bloody look in.

I think one competitor Sarah Fader who made the final with a faster time pulled out.

www.velonews.com/2018/10/news/commentary-the-complicated-case-of-transgender-cyclist-dr-rachel-mckinnon_480285

It feels like gaslighting on a massive scale

Regardless of what she identifies as, or calls herself, she was born in a male body and has the size, muscles, strength and speed of a male. Of course she’s going to beat other women who were born in female bodies. Totally unfair and she shouldn’t need anyone to point that out.

It's not clear that McKinnon takes androgen hormone suppressors:

Bearden agrees with the International Olympic Committee that naturally occurring testosterone gives transgender women an unfair advantage in competition against cisgender women, meaning women who were born female, while McKinnon believes subjecting trans women to testosterone blocking violates their human rights.

eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2018/01/11/these-transgender-cyclists-have-olympian-disagreement-how-define-fairness/995434001/

Interesting that whenever testosterone levels are talked about its always

Lower than females

Or

So low they are nearly negligible

Never ' 3 or 2 or 1 ...or 5 or 6'

There could be an argument for privacy ...or transparency

McKinnon has been a critic of forcing transgender athletes to suppress their testosterone.

In an interview published in January by USA Today, McKinnon insisted that forcing trans people to alter their physical condition to be allowed to participate in sports is a violation of their human rights. McKinnon thinks the requirements to lower testosterone is inherently discriminatory.
“This is bigger than sports and it’s about human rights,” McKinnon said. “By catering to cisgender people’s views, that furthers transgender people’s oppression. When it comes to extending rights to a minority population, why would we ask the majority? I bet a lot of white people were pissed off when we desegregated sports racially and allowed black people. But they had to deal with it.”

McKinnon also insisted that if we “legally recognize” transgenders in society, then we have to do so in sports.

“We cannot have a woman legally recognized as a trans woman in society, and not be recognized that way in sports,” McKinnon told the paper. “Focusing on performance advantage is largely irrelevant because this is a rights issue. We shouldn’t be worried about trans people taking over the Olympics. We should be worried about their fairness and human rights instead.”

Copied and pasted from the Breitbart link from the velonews.com link

So McKinnon wants to compete with normal male testosterone levels too? Perhaps the win wasn't easy enough? Also -if someone has their testes removed surely they'd have a medical reason to supplement testosterone? McKinnon could be cycling with 30nmol/L and the other cyclists with 0.5.
Because human rights.

Or this

was born in a male body and has the size, muscles, strength and speed of a male

Surely a female competitor could supplement with testosterone, then? To bring it up to the same level? I mean, it'd be disastrous for their health and for women's sport but logically it should be allowed?
If I identify as transabled do I get to swim against the Paralympians with missing limbs? Would that be fair?

Women can't object - they will be thrown off the teams.
It shouldn't be down to the victims of this unfairness to object, it should be blindingly obvious to the sports governing bodies.
When they are SO strict on drugs it seems absurd that they have this gaping loophole.

Didn't get much applause did they? That video really shows the difference in size. Really struggled with that winners jersey. What a truly objectionable human being.

Surely a female competitor could supplement with testosterone, then?

There's a perceived difference between your 'natural' hormones and supplemental ones - it's why there's all the controversy even about athletes with asthma taking steroids for their condition.

And, for various reasons, even supplemented T wouldn't have the same impact on women's muscles (different twitch fibre composition; anatomical differences is ligament attachments, density of bone etc.).

I had a long conversation this week with a good friend who has worked for many years at Credit Suisse around the world (not there now) and knows the CEO. He's appalled at Phillip Bunce.

His take on it was interesting. He said it's so unfair to force this huge discomfort on people at work. Never knowing from one day to the next who is going to show up and forcing people to be massively on their guard whilst doing their job, making them worry about their own reactions, forcing all this difficult mental stress on hundreds of people for his own personal satisfaction is a huge imposition.

It's the same with this cyclist. What a lot of distress, stress, damage, wasted training and upset everyone has to go through for this person's "human rights".

The comments are a tonic to read. Everyone saying it is unfair and ridiculous.

Good for Sarah Fader, what a brave and principled stand.

arranfan I agree, I was taking it to the logical conclusion that anti-doping would end up being inherently sexist.
He said it's so unfair to force this huge discomfort on people at work. Never knowing from one day to the next who is going to show up and forcing people to be massively on their guard whilst doing their job
Yeah, I wouldn't use that argument though, it's just being reactionary. Men felt like that when women entered the workforce, a certain amount of discomfort around new people or situations is unavoidable. I'd be careful to mention it's uncomfortable dealing with someone's obvious sexual fetish in the workplace instead. Because no woman wears that get-up in Credit Suisse. Do they?

Never knowing from one day to the next who is going to show up and forcing people to be massively on their guard whilst doing their job, making them worry about their own reactions, forcing all this difficult mental stress on hundreds of people for his own personal satisfaction is a huge imposition.

Actions like this always make me think of stories about Stalin compelling exhausted officials to sing and dance at all hours - and they did it for fear of being added to purge lists. This extract from Archangel in which he compels members of the Politburo and one of his daughters to dance to the sound of howling/baying dogs - even pulling his daughter by her hair when she was too tired to continue.

books.google.co.uk/books?id=erBfSDj63CQC&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&dq=stalin+howling+dogs&source=bl&ots=IIZ17qICAn&sig=niHaKJCjdNxIs1tEO-TH-HxLWOo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwin8YyZ_pXeAhWEJ8AKHRW2BpoQ6AEwD3oECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=stalin%20howling%20dogs&f=false

Obviously, no comparison to Stalin but the same sort of indifference concerning their behaviour to others and their demands: the same abuse of power towards people frightened of losing their livelihood.

Of course it’s nothing like civil rights movement, poc never demanded everyone believe they are white.