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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans activists smoke bomb protest the metro

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Bonions · 19/10/2018 17:35

Jim Waterson
@jimwaterson
Trans activists have set off smoke bombs outside the entrance to Northcliffe House, HQ of the Daily Mail/Metro/Independent. Unclear if they're protesting against the Mail - or the Metro taking the advert last week - but staff leaving by side entrance.

Consensus seems to be they're protesting against The Metro, which took an anti-trans ad last week. Unfortunately Metro print edition staff don't work Fridays. (The entirely separate Metro website has also had some trouble over the sister paper taking the ad, apparently.)

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 19/10/2018 19:53

No your are not supposed to feel comfortable, you are supposed to submit to it, massive difference.

Ereshkigal · 19/10/2018 20:00

Clever of feminists to carry out this ‘false flag’ operation at exactly same time and place the TRAs had proposed to protest on Facebook.

Wasn't it? We're good!

deepwatersolo · 19/10/2018 20:06

Yeah, if the point they were making was that they‘re so harmless any fear women might have about sharing their spaces was absurd... that point didn’t really come across, did it?

AspieAndProud · 19/10/2018 20:06

On smoke bombs and other fireworks at sporting events:

Written evidence submitted by Live Nation (SC 13)

1. Introduction

1.1 On 7th January 2015 the Scrutiny Unit of the House of Commons invited interested parties with relevant expertise and experience to "Have your say" on the Serious Crime Bill by submitting their views in writing to the House of Commons Public Bill Committee, which is scheduled to consider the Bill between 13th – 22nd January.

1.2 This submission has been produced in response to that invitation on behalf of Live Nation. Live Nation is one of the world’s leading entertainment companies and the world’s largest promoter of live music concerts. We have extensive experience of the live event industry and the challenges and requirement of managing events. Our submission concerns the issue of the increasing use of flares, fireworks and smoke bombs at concerts and live events.

2. Context of our submission

2.1 Flares, fireworks and smoke bombs are dangerous when used inappropriately. Flares – often manufactured for legitimate military, maritime or transport purposes – can burn as hot as 1,600°C for as long as an hour. Any burns caused by a flare are likely to be extreme. Fireworks can be equally dangerous, with a simple sparkler burning up to 2000°C and rockets travelling at up to 150 miles per hour. Smoke bombs can also burn at high temperatures. They are designed for use in open spaces and can be dangerous in confined spaces for those with asthma and breathing difficulties.

2.2 It is very difficult to extinguish pyrotechnics once lit because they often contain burning metals. Even after they stop burning, they will be too hot to handle for some time and could still set fire to flammable items like litter. In crowds, flares or smoke bombs cause serious burns, smoke inhalation injuries and panic or asthma attacks.

2.3 Legislation has existed since 1985 concerning the use of pyrotechnics at football grounds. Under the Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc.) Act 1985 it is an offence for a person to enter or attempt to enter a football ground while in possession of a flare, smoke bomb or firework. The sentence for these offences can be as much as three months in prison, and in many cases, fans who have no previous convictions are given prison sentences for attempting to enter a football ground with a smoke bomb in their pocket as the courts take these offences very seriously. Recently, fans who have been caught at football matches with smoke bombs have been given sentences between 1 and 2 months and banned from returning to football grounds for up to 6 years. This demonstrates the severity with which authorities treat this issue when it relates to football matches.

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201415/cmpublic/seriouscrime/memo/sc13.htm

AspieAndProud · 19/10/2018 20:09

Wasn't it? We're good!

The clever bit was how they prevented the genuine TRAs from attending by painting a tunnel on a brick wall and tricking them into running into it like Wile E Coyote.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 19/10/2018 20:13

The courts take these offences very seriously. Thanks for that information, AspieAndProud. It's good to know.

AspieAndProud · 19/10/2018 20:16

A doorway is a confined space.

If anyone disagrees see what happens if your boss catches you smoking there.

deepwatersolo · 19/10/2018 20:18

Allegedly?

AspieAndProud · 19/10/2018 20:22

These are the same people who condemn free speech on the grounds ‘Nobody has the right to shout Fire! in the theatre.’

It’s okay to cause panic and alarm - and a genuine risk of fire (there’s no smoke without it) - by setting off smoke bombs in a confined space though...

Turph · 19/10/2018 20:23

AspieAndProud thanks for that. Puts it in perspective. If nothing else, it's negligent behaviour, the entire smoke alarm system for the building could have gone off, or been damaged, people could have been burnt, asthmatics could have died, people trying to get out could have missed their evening appointments with clients or bathtime or a flight or a date or anything really.
It's just bullying. You dared disagree with us (once or twice, not even regularly) so we're going to cause havoc and put you at risk. Disgusting behaviour.

AspieAndProud · 19/10/2018 20:24

Allegedly?

Maybe they’re hoping there’s some wiggle room over whether they were ‘thrown’ or just ‘dropped’.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 19/10/2018 20:25

So if football fans use flares and smoke bombs, they are labelled as yobs and taken to court. But if you're brave and stunning and very middle class is all fine?

DereksSexyPyjamas · 19/10/2018 20:25

If the building smells of smoke, wouldn’t that constitute damage to property?

AspieAndProud · 19/10/2018 20:29

I can’t imagine anything more terrifying than being stuck on a smoke filled staircase.

From a distance the smoke is obviously blue but when you are inside it it is dark and your eyes are streaming and it smells of any other burning material.

I can’t help thinking of the Kings Cross fire.

HelenaDove · 19/10/2018 20:31

India Willoughby knows fine fucking well it was the TRAs who did it given that the plans for it are there for all to see. She sounds downright emotionally abusive and gaslighty.

@Hamster00 Thanks

MustBeDreaming · 19/10/2018 20:31

The smoke on its own could have caused injuries or deaths if people thought it was a fire or serious terrorist incident and had stampeded for fire exits. Even without physical injuries a lot of people could have been left traumatised.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 19/10/2018 20:32

I've been in hospital twice in the last year with breathing difficulties, once for a week. Bloody glad I wasn't there. I'd need an ambulance.

AspieAndProud · 19/10/2018 20:33

And I dread the thought of how this would effect people like myself with anxiety and sensory issues.

Turph · 19/10/2018 20:35

if people thought it was a fire or serious terrorist incident
Exactly. It's an old building, I bet the stairwells aren't great, evacuations are dangerous even when managed. Absolutely disgusting behaviour by the protestors.

FekkoTheLawyer · 19/10/2018 20:36

Didn't anyone call the police? I'm sorry but calling the police because 3 ladies were hanging out leaflets (and getting the police our and their horse) pales I to I significance where there are literally a handful of dudes yelling and letting off smoke bombs. Smoke bombs in fucking central London? What we're their little brains thinking?

ShineyNewName5032 · 19/10/2018 20:36

Tweeted by the Independent: twitter.com/Independent/status/1053337555628777472

HelenaDove · 19/10/2018 20:38

DH has COPD That kind of smoke would have huge health consequences for him.

IfNotNowThenWooOoOoo · 19/10/2018 20:39

Sooo..women hand out earnest leaflets explaining why they are quite worried about their safety , and put up posters with a dictionary definition of Woman= hate crimes and incitement to violence.

TRA s punch pensioners, tell women to suck their lady dick, dox children, prevent democratic meetings using threat, trap people in buildings and block their way wearing masks =women's opinions made us do it.

Yep, this is definitely "both sides" behaving badly isn't it BBC?

cleanhousewastedlife · 19/10/2018 20:40

Hamster00 this is one of the things about all this that upsets me so much. I really hope that your right to live peacefully, freely and without prejudice is not being hindered by the actions of others who claim to speak 'for you'. Thank you for standing with women and girls, as we stand with you.

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