1984

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I know that this has been done to death, but was watching Newsnight last night with Amy Challenor and the 2 tw on the panel. Who are obviously men. Albeit in frocks and doing the soft lady voice.
It just so Orwellian. You have to believe i'm a woman. Ok, i'm obviously a man. But because I feel i'm a woman YOU have to feel i'm a woman. Or else .
Displaying typical male bullying characteristics while simultaneously being all hurt and sensitive.
And they're always about me me me.
I care about women's safety but for me, this trumps everything. Once we start legislating on feelings not facts we're fucked

“How many fingers am I holding up Winston?”

“Four. Four. No, ow, five! Transwomen are women! Make it stop!”

You have to believe i'm a woman

Was just wondering if multi award winning gender advocate Pip Bunce gets paid 10% less on his days working in a frock...

They're still inviting Amy Challenor to be on TV, etc? S'truth...

Exactly.

Mind you, I think Newsnight might have peak transed a few people.
But it's interesing that all of this has 2 streams. A valid concern about the erosion of women's rights. And quite separate issue of on what basis do we create legislation.
I don't think enough is said in the dialogue about 'no, you're NOT a woman'. Because people are afraid of being unkind.

They're still inviting Amy Challenor to be on TV, etc?

They said they asked other transpeople but they refused to appear on a programme with 'transphobes'. The trans lobby obviously hoped that the piece would be cancelled as has happened before.

They said they asked other transpeople but they refused to appear on a programme with 'transphobes'.

Except it sounds as if there were only pro-TRA people on the programme anyway?

As we're saying on the War Cannot Be Won thread:

Eppur si muove!

I see the number of fingers.

I was shocked to see Aimee Challenor on Newsnight last night. We had just switched it over and there was Aimee being interviewed, but I didn't quite catch it.

What we did catch was Aimee saying 'transwomen are women, get over it' and my DH, who I think has peak transed but has no skin in the game and likes to 'stay out of it' (I know I know, but we have been through it loads of times and we are both sick of me talking about it at home I think!) definitely had a face on.

Except it sounds as if there were only pro-TRA people on the programme anyway?

No, it was Newsnight last night. Filmed with Kathleen Stock and Nic Williams and had Ruth Serwotka in the studio. Plus Debbie Hayton for the transsexuals.