Times 'Lib Dem trans activists ‘hounded’ abuse victim (Natalie Bird)''.Article refers to Zoe O'Connell & Sarah Brown

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article by Lucy Bannerman
(extract)
"A victim of domestic abuse was removed as a judge of a radical thinking prize and “hounded” out of her role within the Liberal Democrats for saying that she did not believe that men who identified as women should have access to women’s refuges.

Natalie Bird, 38, a mother of two who fled an abusive former partner, was accused of “dangerous transphobia” by transgender activists in the party. She had said that opening up safe spaces without proper safeguards to anyone who said that they were female could put women at risk.

She opposed segregating women’s refuges by chosen gender instead of biological sex, and said that it was not fair to make female victims of domestic violence, abuse and rape share services with people with “functioning” male anatomy.

After being allegedly bullied on social media by party activists, Ms Bird was brought before a disciplinary hearing to face a complaint in the name of Zoe O’Connell, on behalf of the LGBT+ Liberal Democrats. The correspondence says that Ms Bird had “expressed troublesome views”.

The hearing found no evidence to support the complaint of transphobia, but Ms Bird lost her position as chairwoman of the Radical Association, made up of party members, following a vote of no confidence. This cost her her role as a judge of the Ashdown Prize for Radical Thought; an ironic move, Ms Bird said, given that the prize’s aim was to reward “big, bold, radical” solutions to society’s most “daunting problems . . . no one has the courage to argue for” (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lib-dem-trans-activists-hounded-abuse-victim-b6dx39tv3

Hopefully many LibDem Members will stand in support of Natalie Bird.

O'Connell and Brown make a mockery of the LibDem priciples and their bullying abusive behaviour has been allowed to run unchecked within the party.

The Liberal Democrats exist to build and safeguard a fair, free and open society, in which we seek to balance the fundamental values of liberty, equality and community, and in which no one shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity. We champion the freedom, dignity and well-being of individuals, we acknowledge and respect their right to freedom of conscience and their right to develop their talents to the full. We aim to disperse power, to foster diversity and to nurture creativity. We believe that the role of the state is to enable all citizens to attain these ideals, to contribute fully to their communities and to take part in the decisions which affect their lives.

"We didn't get we want last time, so we changed the rules. "

No they got it, the issue was that there was a 75% level required, which they did reach, HOWEVER, they are scared in the future that if they want to remove people for wrongthink then they might not reach 75%, so they have changed the rules to make it easier.

Sarah, if that's you, you'd stand a much better chance of re-election if you focused on something reality based, like the traffic flow problems round Cambridge station or the poor bastards who are sleeping rough down the side of the mosque. You can say TWAW for as long as it takes Cambridge Council to get a new Local Plan but that doesn't actually make it true.

Actually, on reflection, you can't be Sarah Brown because you've been much too polite.

What makes a 'trans woman' trans?
What is it that makes a trans woman a sub category of woman?

Most importantly, what does it say about you @sorospaysme that you condone Sarah Brown, a male person, telling a lesbian to suck their balls?

The old disciplinary process was fundamentally flawed and not fit for process, and at our last conference we passed a motion to set up a new disciplinary process that will be more effective at dealing with issues like transphobia

This was much celebrated by Brown etc.

Presumably in the hope that the failed attempt to discipline Natalie Bird would not occur again.

'Troublesome views' will be better dealt with.

as I said not liberal, not democratic

What the fuck is happening in politics at the moment?

Even someone coming on here to set the record straight has made it sound a hundred times worse than it did in the article.

No, because trans women are also adult human females.

Prove it. Define trans, define woman define female. I am waiting.

If you don't agree with that then you are at odds with our fundamental values.

This is I getting weirder. So you are fundamentalist believers and everyone has to have identical fundamental beliefs or they are terrible people. And this is radical? Blimey. Radical means the opposite of rigid conformity under duress, I hope you manage to learn that before your hypocrisy does any more damage.

No, because trans women are also adult human females

Trans women are adult human males. That has no bearing whatever on their right to be treated with respect and dignity, not discriminated against. But they are not adult human females.

"Sarah, if that's you"

Clearly it is.

"on reflection, you can't be Sarah Brown because you've been much too polite"

People with Cluster B personality disorders are often able to mask themselves for a short time.

I wouldn't call their behaviour here polite though. It's libellous, condescending, juvenile and manipulative.

What the fuck is happening in politics at the moment?

Johnny Mercer said 'shit show'

I think I agree with Johnny.

No, because trans women are also adult human females.

Absolutely barking, yes of course.

But so blatantly abusive that you must be a very troubled man indeed.

People who claim to think that trans women are female just sound lying or deluded to me.
Every single baby that has ever been born has resulted from two gametes, a male and a female one, produced by a man and a woman, and gestated in the woman. Biology. It exists.

So the charming Soros writes:

"put it in terms you lot will hopefully be able to comprehend"

Every person that arrives to lecture and harangue woman for wrong think always describes us at "you lot".

Michael Biggs
Associate Professor in Sociology and Fellow of St Cross College writes:
"A meeting was held on 25 April 2018 to discuss proposed changes to the law on gender recognition. The proposed legislation will eliminate sex-segregated spaces and activities, from women’s refuges to competitive sports. In a democracy, people have the right to meet to discuss—and indeed oppose—legislative changes. This should be incontrovertible. I am appalled that a small number of students at Oxford used extreme measures to stop this meeting from being held....
(concludes)
I have entered this debate not because I am a feminist but because freedom of speech is one of the highest values of a democratic society, and the basic foundation of university life.
Transgender activism poses a grave threat to freedom of speech. I think of the young MPhil student who had to disguise herself to attend this meeting because she feared the reaction of fellow students. This is the generation that we have educated."
users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/FreeSpeechOxford.pdf

Every person that arrives to lecture and harangue woman for wrong think always describes us at "you lot".

Yes it's interesting and demonstrates that they set themselves apart from and consider themselves superior to women as a group.

Which is illuminating.

No, because trans women are also adult human females

No they’re not, you’re making a factually incorrect statement. Every single cell of their body shows they’re Male. The desperate need for validation is because trans women know they’re not female, they think they’ll believe it themselves if enough women say it. A transsexual told me that once. That’s why there’s this demand to be validated, because of the self doubt.

Clearly it is

Not convinced but if it is (or if you're lurking Sarah), can I also add to the suggested 'to do' list, taking on fully paid up cult-of-Corbyn member and bloke with a severe case of transport-related monomania councillor Dave Baigent who is determined to get Mill Road closed to through traffic and thereby fuck up every residential street in Petersfield and Romsey? Thanks.

I just saw a photo of the hounders. Well that's put me off my tea.

Will they now be hounded by the gutter press?

"Clearly it is."

As I observed above there are multiple men running this group and they all have identikit views, so who cares.

I swear, that’s what this whole fucking movement is about.

Yep.

If you don't agree with that then you are at odds with our fundamental values.

Those fundamental values include the right not to be ‘enslaved’ by ‘conformity’.

How do you square this circle?

DH joined the LD in the wake of the Brexit debacle (I didn't feel I wanted to join a political party as I have believed in basing my vote on policies and candidates at the time of an election) - but I often voted LD because of their policies and candidates.

Having seen the sterling efforts from representatives of the party on this thread, I've definitely seen "the light". It'll be up to DH what he does with his party membership, but I'll get him to have a read later this evening and I suspect he too will be seeing things in a whole new way.

"put it in terms you lot will hopefully be able to comprehend"

Vince Cable's recent speech: "Liberal democracy itself is under threat notably in the USA, in Eastern Europe and perhaps here. Authoritarians and extremists of both right and left are on the march"

concludes:
"But the way in which the revolutionary left hijacked the Labour Party, and used Momentum for its own purposes, is a salutary warning. And the Tories are being taken over by extremists even with a narrow, exclusive, membership base.

We have to be careful but we cannot be afraid of opening windows lest a few flies get in. In any case, the Liberal Democrats are different.

We are not a socialist party concerned with extreme-left entryism, or a right-wing party trying to keep extreme right-wingers out.

We are a centre-ground, pro-European, liberal and social democratic party, welcoming like-minded supporters.

This will be a Movement for Moderates!"

"No, because trans women are also adult human females."

Your delusion is strong, but won't make it true. I feel sorry for you, and for trans women who are affected by the backlash to absolute bullshit like this.