Question time now

[LorettasBox]

Question on the GRA consultation.

Yes, all that.
But this is what you get when you give feeling primacy over reason. And you devalue objective truth. These kids have spent their whole lives being told it’s how they feel that matters. Maybe it doesn’t matter. Maybe your feelings are delusional and you need to get a grip. But you can’t say that. It’s cruel, apparently.
How they will cope when life starts beating them up I don’t know.

yes to everything you said bumbrainus

I'm hopping with you Lorettasbox

A lot of these ‘woke’ types probably do live in southern and metropolitan areas or work in organisations like the BBC where ginger people are quite rare and trans are disproportionately large because of local demographics so they probably would have no difficulty swallowing that line about numbers. Most of my family are ginger. Where I live about half of us have Irish grandparents. London has a very different ethnic mix.

We were surprised by the number of redheads in Iceland (the country) and commented on it to a tour guide. “Oh yes” she laughed “Our Viking forefathers stopped off in Ireland on the way to get wives, although I don’t think many of the women had a choice.”

The ginger thing is because world wide there are 2% gingers, but they are concentrated in certain areas, including the UK.

Fausto Sterling claimed that there were 1.7% intersex people, but used a wide definition that included 'conditions which most clinicians do not recognize as intersex'.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12476264/

Cleverly gave a very good and informed answer, rightly pointing out that male sexual predators will not and do not bother getting legal identification to be sexual predators, and will go into toilets and changing rooms either way... and thats the issue that should be focused on, and being distracted and deflecting on trans rights is holding dealing with those issues. As the young woman in the audience pointed out, the issue that needs to be dealt with is male violence, not scaremongering about the trans bogeyman.

Kier clearly scared into peddling lies and scaremongering about prisons put out by transphobic lobby groups and the reactionary lobby. Shame that labour is as per usual too scared to take the strong pro equality stance that they should.

Trans women are women. Trans women are adult human females.

Define "female".

There is no simple single thing that defines a female, not all females are the same and any simplistic google definition is going to exclude all manner of people, including intersex, gender non-conforming and yes trans females. Words have meaning far beyond what a dictionary says, and anyone who attempts to use a simplistic dictionary definition both ignores that words have multiple meanings and have in depth meaning behind that definition.

Female is a combination of social constructs and ideas, biological facts, and a range of other things. It is not a set of stereotypes and "liking pink", and that is something that trans women just as much as anyone else reject, it is ignorant simplification by governments to try and simplify "living as a woman" down to stupid sexist stereotypes. But equally a definition of female just based in simplistic biology (may that be having certain physical characteristics like ovaries or chromosomes) ignores the very complex reality of sex. By trying to simplify it down you either exclude gender non conforming women (may they be trans or non-trans/cis [i list both because im acting in good faith recognising that people here don't like cis being applied to them and id rather not get into that argument]) or you exclude intersex and trans women.

A true definition of female cannot be simplistic and must be inclusive of all females.

Mr Seahorse gets pregnant, and as we know he's a real horse...

No, snail dear. I think you are confusing snail sex lives with humans.
Transwomen are male, by definition.

Kier clearly scared into peddling lies and scaremongering about prisons

Yeah right, a former DPP is really going to have no experience in that area.

You libel him by claiming he lies, an odd think to do when he a made a mild statement about balancing risk and the Karen White issue was only just in the press.

A true definition of female cannot be simplistic and must be inclusive of all females.

All those words in that post and still no answer. So, go on then, define female non-simplisticly.

A true definition of male must be non simplistic and must be inclusive of all males, including those who are trans.

“ there is no simple single thing that defines female” I’m sorry but cross I am, I have to pity this level of idiocy.
There are lessons in all this for how we bring up and educate our children. The society that can produce this level of epic foolishness is getting some important things very badly wrong.

The Economist has run some excellent pieces on the issue, which is why the editor was well informed. I didn’t see it, but having seen a few of these discussions now, it is striking how ignorant and ill informed most people are.

It’s time to stop telling girls that what men think of them matters.

I agree.

If studies show that trans women retain male offending patterns then leaving aside biological reality, surely it’s completely irresponsible to endanger women by removing sex segregation?

And if on top of that, any man can self Id and access women’s spaces,
that’s even more of a reason to separate places where women would be vulnerable by sex, to maintain the safeguarding policies that keep women safer now.

issue that needs to be dealt with is male violence, not scaremongering about the trans bogeyman.

Exactly the point that you will see a million times on these boards. The biggest concern is non-trans predatory males. Some are already taking advantage of sex-based boundaries that have been blurred for transwomen.

Male violence has never been sorted out, ever, anywhere. Which is why women here still need sex-based protections.

Please leave intersex out of this, per DSD organisations' strong request.

Female is a combination of social constructs and ideas, biological facts, and a range of other things.

I read this comment as sexist and homophobic, which I am sure wasn't your intention.

Allow yourself to accept the premise of most people everywhere that sex is immutable and binary. That woman (adult human female) is a material reality with real world consequences for those born that way and unable to identify out of it. Then revisit your arguments.

If it feels wrong or scary to try this thought experiment, ask yourself why.

A true definition of male must be non simplistic and must be inclusive of all males, including those who are trans.

Well there’s the answer right there.

I read last week about a mass grave of newborn girls found in Pakistan. Hundreds of tiny babies, murdered and dumped in a society where only boys have value.
A newborn baby has no awareness of itself as a human being let alone an ability to identify as female or whatever the bullshit phrase is. These babies were murdered because they are biologically female as thousands of women are every day.
When I think of that dump of tiny bodies, the rage I feel towards these narcissistic entitled cunts who want to tell me that women is whatever we feels it is is boundless.