We’re Still Here Conference 8th September: A report from the inside

[TheHarpySings]

Hi all

First off, I’m a regular poster, have been here for years under various usernames, it I’m posting here on a name change as I don’t want this traced to me.

On 8th September there was a conference held in London a Bloomsbury Baptist Church which was called We’re Still Here, which featured a variety of panels and workshops and was attended by many prominent people in the pro-GRA reform camp.

I decided to attend to find out what was being said as it was clear that they did not want anyone to attend that wasn’t a TRA or an ally.

What follows are my notes from the day. But first a few notes on attendance:

There were probably 80-100 people in attendance. Overwhelmingly white. Mainly older transwomen. A couple of transmen. Some Mermaids delegates. Some fellow travellers/ allies. And me.

Okay. So here’s my notes

1. Health Panel: Chair was Dr Ben Vincent of GIRES.

Part of the discussion on this panel was around GPs reluctance to prescribe “bridging hormones”. GPs are reluctant/afraid to prescribe them for liability reasons. Apparently a brand of T-Gel was withdrawn and GPs are reluctant to switch brands.

There was then a bit of chatter about whether a person’s sex was relevant for healthcare stats.

Then there was discussion about trans children. Dr Vincent was very scathing about GIDS-said there was disgusting and unethical practices. BV spoke about dispelling the myths about desistance and the myths of ROGD- BV called this “concern trolling, malicious and ethically bankrupt”. BV would like a review of the whole system.

Then Dr Vincent said that they’d received a review copy of “Born in your own body” edited by Heather Brunskell-Evans and Michele Moore. BV is reviewing it for some Royal College and said “I will tear it a new arsehole”

Also (and they didn't want this tweeted) BV is also planning a book called Terf Wars which will be a “rigorous takedown of terf arguments” which is getting serialised as articled in some peer reviewed journal- I’m sorry but I couldn’t catch which one.

Dr Stuart Lorimer, of the Tavistock and Portman who was also a panellist- said that ROGD is “evidence free”.

There was a great deal of discussion as to the health risks for transwomen taking certain brands of hormones- one person said they knew three other people who’d died taking them, and they’d nearly died as well.

This was such a useful, valuable thread.

This kind of recording and analysis is one of the reasons why MN is so feared, reviled and targeted by the TA movement. And why it's such a powerful part of the push back against the onslaught on women's rights.

Thanks for bumping.

Im just bumping this up, for anyone who is coming to this forum off the back of the Cass report

Bloody hell, this is the thread that becomes more wtaf every time you read it.

So many names are so much more familiar now, for what they were doing then and what they've gone on to do since.

Just noting that Anna is now Matthew and no longer at goldsmiths

www.gold.ac.uk/educational-studies/staff/carlile/

Just noting that Anna is now Matthew and no longer at goldsmiths

Oh wow. Some of us believe AC used to post here occasionally.

Interesting that Anna/ Matthew has moved from education dept to a business setting.

Just bumping this thread again for anyone who wants to read a window into madness. Interesting to see the names that even back then were on board the gender bullshit train...

The bit that jumped out at me was this:
‘There was a great deal of discussion as to the health risks for transwomen taking certain brands of hormones- one person said they knew three other people who’d died taking them, and they’d nearly died as well.’
I had a transwoman friend who sadly died of an unexplained heart attack, far too young, a few years after this event took place.
I don’t know if the hormones were a factor or not but given how weak the evidence turned out to be for safety and efficacy of treatment for young people I wouldn’t be surprised if there is something behind what they are saying.
I feel like we would get accused of concern trolling for discussing this; adult trans people can make their own decisions about treatment as long as they know the risks. I just hope they do get access to high quality truthful information on what those risks are.