We’re Still Here Conference 8th September: A report from the inside

[TheHarpySings]

Hi all

First off, I’m a regular poster, have been here for years under various usernames, it I’m posting here on a name change as I don’t want this traced to me.

On 8th September there was a conference held in London a Bloomsbury Baptist Church which was called We’re Still Here, which featured a variety of panels and workshops and was attended by many prominent people in the pro-GRA reform camp.

I decided to attend to find out what was being said as it was clear that they did not want anyone to attend that wasn’t a TRA or an ally.

What follows are my notes from the day. But first a few notes on attendance:

There were probably 80-100 people in attendance. Overwhelmingly white. Mainly older transwomen. A couple of transmen. Some Mermaids delegates. Some fellow travellers/ allies. And me.

Okay. So here’s my notes

1. Health Panel: Chair was Dr Ben Vincent of GIRES.

Part of the discussion on this panel was around GPs reluctance to prescribe “bridging hormones”. GPs are reluctant/afraid to prescribe them for liability reasons. Apparently a brand of T-Gel was withdrawn and GPs are reluctant to switch brands.

There was then a bit of chatter about whether a person’s sex was relevant for healthcare stats.

Then there was discussion about trans children. Dr Vincent was very scathing about GIDS-said there was disgusting and unethical practices. BV spoke about dispelling the myths about desistance and the myths of ROGD- BV called this “concern trolling, malicious and ethically bankrupt”. BV would like a review of the whole system.

Then Dr Vincent said that they’d received a review copy of “Born in your own body” edited by Heather Brunskell-Evans and Michele Moore. BV is reviewing it for some Royal College and said “I will tear it a new arsehole”

Also (and they didn't want this tweeted) BV is also planning a book called Terf Wars which will be a “rigorous takedown of terf arguments” which is getting serialised as articled in some peer reviewed journal- I’m sorry but I couldn’t catch which one.

Dr Stuart Lorimer, of the Tavistock and Portman who was also a panellist- said that ROGD is “evidence free”.

There was a great deal of discussion as to the health risks for transwomen taking certain brands of hormones- one person said they knew three other people who’d died taking them, and they’d nearly died as well.

JF seems to think that that quirky, obscure, not making much sense style, is appealing. It isn't.

Nor is this.

We could wait until people reach the age of maturity – 18. Or we could trust individuals, as we do when it comes to contraception, and allow them to choose as soon as they are competent to do so, perhaps aged 12 or 13 (Gillick principle).
But I guess all the pseudo-feminists who argue now that a 13 year old cannot know their gender would remain consistent and insist on waiting til 18.

Why the intense interest in lowering the age of consent for everything to do with sex/sexuality/gender ?

Why indeed...

Jane Fae is absolutely right. We should not assign gender to children. What Jane gets wrong, though, is the idea gender should be assigned later in life. There is no need to assign it ever.
Just record sex at birth, as it is important for medical reasons, for safeguarding (we wouldn‘t want teenage pregnancies from a school trip and so forth), and for grouping people right in sports competitions, based on their sex based capacities, and it is all sorted.

It's when you put it all together that it gets really bad.

• Tell kids that their parents know nothing, they should place their trust in adults and older teens who really get it - their new glitter family

• Tell teachers and social workers that kids know their own minds, if they say their parents are unsympathetic, that should be accepted without question, so the school can change the child's name and gender but the parents needn't be told and social workers can step in to remove a child from a family to make sure they get their binder and blockers

• Tell HCPs that it's conversion therapy to question why a child is experiencing gender dysphoria, forbid it, make it a disciplinary offence, make affirmation the only acceptable approach

• Relentlessly push the dodgy suicide stats in the media and to politicians to inhibit free discussion

• Push for no lower limit on getting a GRC - kids know their own minds! They can be trusted to make sensible decisions on all sorts of things.

It doesn't take much from that point for another nefarious group of activists to piggyback on all of this and start arguing for a reduction in the age of consent. After all, kids know their own minds!

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10653950/We-on-the-Left-lacked-the-courage-to-be-branded-homophobic-so-we-just-ignored-it.-I-wish-I-hadnt.html

But, extraordinarily, to the detriment of both vulnerable children and ordinary, decent gay men, men campaigning for sex with small boys had cynically positioned themselves under the sheltering banner of gay rights.

The parallels are really rather striking aren't they....

PIE fooled so many on the Left, within academia and in social work, because they adroitly hijacked the language of liberation. Little was known then or discussed about the extent or horror of child abuse. PIE members also portrayed themselves as “child lovers”, benign uncle figures who offered tenderness, not rape.

They claimed that paedophiles, like women, gay men and children, were “oppressed by the patriarchy”. Therefore we should all make common cause. Spare Rib, to its credit, refused to fall for this self-serving guff. But nor did we condemn it. I was the staffer delegated to read O’Carroll’s book, and I lacked the courage to be branded “homophobic” — as opponents of PIE were. So we just ignored it.

That Telegraph article.

The National Front had picketed the first PIE meeting at Conway Hall, in London’s Red Lion Square and spat and punched at the paedophiles as they went in, while members of the National Council for Civil Liberties (NCCL) attempted to protect them. To younger people now, it seems incredible that Leftists once defended paedophiles. But, to their shame, and the continuing long-term harm of British children, many did. I know that better than most, remembering our anguished, earnest conversations.

Notable how nowadays one of the go to debating points of TRAs is that the GC position is funded by the far right and that if you agree with the right on anything it shows you're a bigot. Well, even people who are wrong on some of the big stuff are not wrong about everything.

www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/94tk2i/radfem_conservatives_vs_libfem/

- Tell kids that their parents know nothing, they should place their trust in adults and older teens who really get it - their new glitter family

Fucking Pedos wet dream!! Hell no to the fuck no. Lucky my young DS is like news of the world, even when was told by grown up that they have to keep a secret no one is allowed to know except that group of children under care of that adult. I went bat shit! I was surprised amount of kids that didn’t tell their parents. The amount of times my child comes out of school but teacher said blah blah especially as we just gone through a year of teacher that was twisted fuck and this is kind of line of teaching that they pulled. Me arguing with my young DS because I brought him up to respect elders, same elders that have abused that.

No no no no. It not going to happen, over my dead body will I stand back and watch any child be drawn into this cult.

Dark twisted and sick going to be busy week next week contacting all my local children services and passing this information on incase MASH don’t.

So very creepy!

CB also said that we “baby” children in our culture, whereas in other countries 12 year olds are considered old enough to fight in wars. I DON’T KNOW WHY SHE THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD COMPARISON.

I know why she said that. Pedophiles would say, "if you're old enough to fight then you're old enough to vote" -- and consent to sex, and everything else.

I'm guessing this will have to fought one person at a time? Get to know more people, especially parents and teachers, and then start sharing links and info.

I've already noticed several very public instances of trans telling lesbians and feminists that they need to "make a commitment to trans" (banners at the rally in manchester) and reminding everyone that feminism "cares about everyone". (No, feminism focuses on WOMEN!) And another instance where trans HATE IT when gc people mention that transgenderism and women's rights are 'in direct conflict' -- instead trans wants everyone to believe that the two groups are 'fundamentally intermeshed".

Nope, they're in direct conflict!

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20181021132524/www.versobooks.com/blogs/4090-i-m-not-transphobic-but-a-feminist-case-against-the-feminist-case-against-trans-inclusivity" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20181021132524/www.versobooks.com/blogs/4090-i-m-not-transphobic-but-a-feminist-case-against-the-feminist-case-against-trans-inclusivity

Helen Belcher was annoyed at GC feminists using “emotive arguments” regards rape

This statement really stuck out to me as well. WTAF!

Deeply disturbing.

Helen Belcher needs to have a word with themselves.

Tell kids that their parents know nothing, they should place their trust in adults and older teens who really get it - their new glitter family

And this is why I keep banging on about the Allsorts guidance. It's not just in their secret squirrel conferences.

It's already in our schools.

Schools are adopting guidance recommending parental alienation, confidential disclosures and no multi-agency checks and balances. It's an infiltrating abuser's idea of paradise (and that infiltrating abuser could be anyone; trans or not trans).

Just got around to reading this - wanted to add my thanks and appreciation to TheHarpySings - what an amazing thing to do, well done, This really gives us an insight to the ways this TRA network is operating - and the underhand way they are planning to push through their objectives.

Aaaaand this is the Helen Belcher who has meetings with the BBC Head of Diversity.

If I rocked up looking like HB at an interview, I wouldn't get the position. But then I'm a woman.

Tell kids that their parents know nothing, they should place their trust in adults and older teens who really get it - their new glitter family

Like Lactatia (ugh) - groomed by adults.

I can't rewatch it, but he says something like if your parents disagree, then get new parents. And everyone goes wow that's like soooo kewl.

Fae is insane.
Note how this works. You did not choose that gender. The state assigned it. And you must now jump through all manner of hurdles to claim what was never their's to take.

Yep, when I was shagging the father of my kids a civil servant popped by to insert a preselected sperm at the appropriate moment. It took a few tries...

What is he smoking?

If you are wound up by all this deliberate distortion of human reality please complete this survey. It's couched in identify politics terms sadly but take the opportunity to tell them that law should not be misused in this way.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3401337-Attitudes-to-Gender-a-survey-being-used-to-write-a-new-gender-bill-in-the-UK

This research is funded by the government, I think they believed self ID was a slam dunk and no legal sex registration was the natural next step, and of course it is what Fae is driving at with the bonkers rant.... for....

I didn't chose a bloody gender. I refuse to be forced to submit to male dominance in this way.

If the state assigned every baby some gender, that would indeed be outrageous.
Luckily all the state does is record each baby‘s sex. Someone needs to tell Fae.

I've not read the whole thread, so sorry if this has been covered,
"there was a great deal of discussion as to the health risks for transwomen taking certain brands of hormones- one person said they knew three other people who’d died taking them, and they’d nearly died as well."
I'm wondering, for all the talk of suicide, could hormones actually be killing as many or more trans people?
If so why are they pushing these things onto kids.
What research is being done about this?
You would think it would be of interest to the people at this meeting.
I know there was a thread about Lupron, including links to testimonials from women who had been prescribed it either for its intended purpose or off label. It did not make for happy reading.

Jilly that’s a really interesting point and something I’ve been thinking about as well. I’m on quite a lot of medication and the risk of suicidal feelings is listed as a common side effect on each one. It’s incredibly common in anti-depressant meds as well. I’m sure I remember something on here from GIDS saying that many of the children they see have co-morbidities including a lot of mental health problems, some of which are presumably being treated with anti-depressants.

Someone called out Liberty to their face on Twitter the other day with regards to PIE Affiliated with them over 5 years. The parallels are so scary -this BBC article is a bit longer with more background. www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378