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David Davies MP for Monmouth

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GivenuponHumanity · 17/10/2018 20:11

As a conservative voter I am please that David Davies is vocal in his opposition to "self identification" however I do wonder if all those people who now hang on to his every word with regard to this issue are Conservative voters or just using him because he just happens to speak and write common sense. How many will run away at the next election to vote for Labour?

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borntobequiet · 17/10/2018 20:19

We are not all tribal. Just because I agree with Mr Davies’ views on this and applaud him for speaking out doesn’t mean I agree with other things he says. I agree on certain things with individual politicians from all parties - I’be even agreed with Nigel Farage once or twice.
Many of us listen to what is said by all political parties and choose the least worst option based on the current state of the nation. We don’t “run away and vote”for whoever. How stupid do you think we are?
(God knows we could do with a sane electoral system that doesn’t disenfranchise over half the nation on a permanent basis.)

borntobequiet · 17/10/2018 20:20

I’ve

Melamin · 17/10/2018 20:20

He has helped with a venue for meetings, and turned up to demonstrations. I think quite a few campaigners have met him personally. People have a lot of respect for him.

I don't see how that should translate into supporting every Conservative Party candidate though. Perhaps they will use their judgement to assess the available candidates when the time comes.

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GivenuponHumanity · 17/10/2018 20:26

I find it interesting that on his Twitter account, anything he mentions with regard to the GRA attracts significantly more engagement that when he tweets about other everyday issues that are arguably just as important for our country. Example only 6 "likes" when tweeting about the dangers of speeding vehicles only 2 "likes" when tweeting about the farming community. I do not think it is unreasonable to assume from this observation that he is being used by left wing feminists to amplify their voices. Why do you not have a left wing voice to support you?

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Needmoresleep · 17/10/2018 20:33

This is not a left or right wing issue.

He is articulating a view held by 82% of the population. Which is great.

The bigger question is where are the others. He should not be the only MP willing to stick a head above the parapet.

Glad he is talking about farming issues as well. He seems decent and presumably a good constituency MP.

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GivenuponHumanity · 17/10/2018 20:36

If that is true then why do you not have a Labour MP who is equally as vocal as David Davies?

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TerfedOff · 17/10/2018 20:36

My MP is Labour and is also on our side however at the moment too busy with other things apparently to engage in this issue. If there is any legislation proposed I have been assured that my MP will not vote in favour of introducing self ID.

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GivenuponHumanity · 17/10/2018 20:41

Who is your Labour MP TerfedOff and why are people not rallying around your MP if they hold that view?

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MoseShrute · 17/10/2018 20:48

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MinecraftHolmes · 17/10/2018 20:50

Because the SNP (who my MP belongs to) aren't very famous for allowing dissenting voices.

LorettasBox · 17/10/2018 20:52

You'll have to ask the Labour MPs themselves why they aren't being vocally in support of women's rights. Until they step up, and until David Davies is revealed to be the actual Devil incarnate, rather than just a Conservative, which isn't the same thing, I'm quite happy to stand with him.

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GivenuponHumanity · 17/10/2018 20:53

I am a conservative, that needs no qualification. What I see are left wing MP's are fearful of stepping up

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ShackUp · 17/10/2018 20:55

I will never vote conservative, bunch of utter bastards. However, I am fully disenfranchised due to the madness of identity politics and will be spoiling my vote at the next election.

Juells · 17/10/2018 20:56

What a strange thread 😁

OvaHere · 17/10/2018 20:57

I was just about to post the very same words Juells

newtlover · 17/10/2018 20:58

not sure why you are asking us this
I'm sure (at least I hope) David Davies is speaking up about this because he believes it's the right thing to do, not because it will get him votes- after all how many of us are in his constituency?
unless he has a very gender critical population in his constituency?

YourVagesty · 17/10/2018 21:00

What I see are left wing MP's are fearful of stepping up

Exactly that. It's wonderful to see somebody in politics who isn't robotically on message. We need more like him across the whole political spectrum.

Needmoresleep · 17/10/2018 21:01

Ha. His constituency has a lot of farmers who understand bulls and cows, rams and sheep, cocks and hens and so on. Almost certainly gender critical.

SirVixofVixHall · 17/10/2018 21:02

I agree that left wing MPs are fearful. I think it is bloody disgraceful, but I agree. There is no way that every Labour MP agrees with the party take on this. I went to a Women’s Place meeting. The vast majority of the people there were fairly typical Labour voters, with the odd Green I imagine. There were women involved with trade unions, women who had fought for gay rights. It was a very left leaning group.
Although many women have left Labour because of this issue, some have stayed to try and keep an alternative voice .
I have a lot of respect for David Davies in speaking out on this issue. I will add that my Conservative MP was far more willing to listen and talk to me about this, than the Labour candidate, sadly a woman, who was rude and clueless to the point of stupidity .

LorettasBox · 17/10/2018 21:04

I understand that political loyalty is still a big driver in the way people vote, but I do think most thinking people decide which issues are most important to them and which parties best align with those issues/values etc.

That's my view anyway.

Gwenhwyfar · 17/10/2018 21:07

I would never vote for that man. Massive Brexiteer as well, can't stand him.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 17/10/2018 21:21

I'm fast coming to the conclusion that David Davies is the only MP in parliament who's never done anything dreadful enough to end up with a mention in his chief whip's little black book.

(That doesn't mean I agree with him about anything else)

InfiniteSheldon · 17/10/2018 21:22

I'm not sure I understand this thread not all Labour MPs toe the line and not all Feminists are left wing

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 17/10/2018 21:31

I'm fast coming to the conclusion that David Davies is the only MP in parliament who's never done anything dreadful enough to end up with a mention in his chief whip's little black book.

And Caroline Flint. But just those two. I'm starting the suspect the rest are up to all sorts of weirdness.

Helmetbymidnight · 17/10/2018 21:35

Can I just remind people that David Davies mp and David Davis mp are two separate people.
They’re both conservatives but only one is a complete twat.

I don’t get your thread either op. As a neither left or right person, presumably I am allowed to like David Davies?