Posie Parker

[MilkAndSevenSugars]

I've been lurking for the past year, and I'm absolutely overwhelmed with what's happening re the GRC etc. And the impact it could have for us and our daughters etc. Finally peak transed this week re Karen write and sent in the pre filled consultation last night. Been speaking about it at work and peak transing others. I'm absolutely on your side,

But this past week I've read loads on it all - twitter etc. Posie is a legend, I agree. The Harrop interview was on another level, and the projection stuff. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼, I just wondered what the MN hive were saying about the accusations re racism/ islamophobia? Are these tweets photo shopped? I am a 22yo woman, fresh out of 'woke' uni - I dont want to be flames and I absolutely support your views but I have just been wondering about this discrepancy?

I've read loads of threads on FWR re PP but have never seen these comments mentioned - obviously they are often brought up by TRAs (obvs when you're losing an argument, you need to bring up irrelevant shit). Nonetheless, I can't see in an AIBU thread that these views would be tolerated, interested to hear what everyone thinks here? Are they photoshopped? I can't imagine everyone fangirling her if not?

I don't agree with everything Posie has said on every topic. That doesn't mean that I can't support her work on self ID

People are complex, life isn't black and white, people aren't right all the time and you won't agree with everyone on every topic but that's ok.

Feminism isn't just for women you agree with. It's for the women you disagree with as well, and the women that disagree with you.

Goodness what a funny time to start your Mumsnet career! You need @germainebunbury on this.

There's another thread just been started that the wonderful G Bunbury might be interested in

Saturday night eh?

Posie Parker is fabulous. That is all. She speaks out for all women whether they like her or not.

Thanks how I will take a look

I'm openly critical of patriarchal religions, I don't see it as bigotry. Patriarchal religion has been a major driver of the subordination of women throughout history. I'm pretty sure most feminists talk about it. Would be hard to make much progress against patriarchy otherwise, wouldn't it?

(I only saw a few tweets, I don't know if there was something terrible that I missed, what I saw it seemed she wasn't pleased by lack of female representation in government.)

Like a pp, I don't agree with everything that Parker says. However I agree with her on this and will support her with it. It's like everything else - I don't agree with everything any politician/journalist/talking head says, but if they speak on a matter in a way that chimes with me, they'll have my support on that issue. Also in my personal life I don't think I've ever met a single person, in my life, who agrees with absolutely everything I think. That's normal, isn't it?

Posie wrote a statement about those tweets - you can google it.
Posie is an activist. You don't need to agree with everything she says and does (many feminists and radfems don't) to think her activism has been brilliant recently.

I think there are a lot of emotionally mature posters on this site who appreciate that human beings are complex. Therefore we are able to separate out and question posters statements around various different topics. We don't just yell and scream at each other or shut people down we don't agree with.

In the case of Posie my understanding is her activism began around Freedom of Speech, she has a range of opinions and people do not necessarily agree with them all.

However, actions speak louder than words and in her actions she has shown that she stands up for the rights of women and has a big, supportive following on here for speaking out fearlessly. I am one of her supporters. I also don't appreciate other people attempting to demonize her or terrorize her and her family for having an opinion. She could be any women wanting to express her opinion.

Have you previously posted this exact post?

I pretty much agree with everything she's said because I understand it in context. Regarding the accusation of homophobia, she said trans men should get sterilisation. This was in response to women (claiming to be men) coming out as 'men who can get pregnant'. It makes no sense for someone who claims to be dysphoric about their female body to do the most female thing possible and get pregnant.. food for thought anyway. I don't think she meant there should be such a thing as mandatory sterilisation.

And she was speaking about little girls wearing hijabs to school, as I understand it, hijabs are used to maintain 'modesty' and prevent unwanted sexual attention from men, which begs the question.. why do little girls need to prevent unwanted sexual attention from men? Anyway, as other posters have said, you don't have to agree with everything everyone says.. I also tend to look at actions rather than words and her actions tell me she cares about women and girls.

Ah, I can see that this person isn't actually interested in having a conversation about this. Shame really.

We're all having a sane and measured conversation tho, so it hasn't been a wasted thread.

Well, not for us. Can't speak for OP.

Thanks for the context. I’ve seen accusations about Islamaphobia and homophobia too, so seeing that her comments have been totally taken out of context makes more sense.

She’s clearly not going to say something vile and bigoted, but it stacks up with the narrative they want to portray to pretend that she did.

Understanding that the comments about sterilisation were not some kind of nazi intervention, but pointing out the ludicrous nature of being so triggered by their own biology that we’re not allowed to name it, but they are allowed to celebrate it, makes sense.

There are complex discussions to be had about the intersection of culture and religion, and how far you can disentangle them. Most religions are patriarchal by definition, (supreme male figure delivering the word and demanding obedience), so it’s easy for patriarchal cultures to co-opt religion in the service of that culture.

Religions are never “pure”, they are always a part of the culture, and male-dominated cultures will use religion to oppress women. The Koran is pretty light on when it comes to structures about oppressing women, and it’s silent on the issue of women driving, for example. That doesn’t stop the Saudis from using religion as an excuse for not letting women drive until recently.

And of course Muslim people often suffer terrible bigotry when the move to non-Muslim countries. But moving countries is not always enough to change attitudes to the oppression of women, and under pressure, some migrant groups cling more fiercely to cultural norms, even when those norms are deeply, morally corrupt.

It’s hard to, on the one hand, support migrant groups of good people suffering prejudice because of their religion and, on the other hand, call them out for criminal acts. It shouldn’t be hard, but as a society we tend to struggle with complexity.

We can, and should, call out segments of the population for their attitudes and behaviours, especially if those attitudes and behaviours lead to hurting women. That doesn’t mean that you need to believe all people of that religion believe the same thing or behave the same way, because that’s clearly nonsense.

Pro-women =/= transphobic.

Mmm, my most cherished brother and his wife are Muslims and I love Islam, but when I asked for examples of Posie's "Islamophobia", I couldn't see what the fuss was about frankly.

She is my hero!

Well, if you support them then they must be your views. And if you want to disguise the fact you’re after Twitter fodder, don’t post after midnight hun

Absolutely; they are my views too. I'm not as knowledgable as you lot - I'm young and am learning these past few weeks. I just wanted to find out what you all thought of those posts. There's so much about PP on MN, I seriously wanted to hear what you all thought on these points. I don't think that is unreasonable?!

But you're all so inclusive - I believe TW are not women and to say they are will lead to devastating outcomes!

Some of you actually explained how they separated some views from others. Useful, thank you.

But the majority of the comments - wow!? Way to get people on your side. Lucky I already figured it out by myself. But for people who aren't sure - you will completely alienate them.

Also, I never mentioned the sterilisation post as I saw them and understood them in context so did not have any questions re them. not sure why you're all mentioning them. Seems a little hypocritical?

Also didn't know there was a curfew on the FWR boards - I've left my glass shoe so 🤷🏽‍♀️

We can, and should, call out segments of the population for their attitudes and behaviours, especially if those attitudes and behaviours lead to hurting women. That doesn’t mean that you need to believe all people of that religion believe the same thing or behave the same way, because that’s clearly nonsense.

I'm not going to start posting screenshots, because I honestly think the woman has done so much for the cause, but didn't she say Bradford was a horrible place for women because of the gigantic amount of all male Muslim schools?

This is literally saying what you're condemning, no?"

*I’m not going to start posting screenshots, because I honestly think the woman has done so much for the cause, but didn't she say Bradford was a horrible place for women because of the gigantic amount of all male Muslim schools?

This is literally saying what you're condemning, no?*

Bradford is a terrible place for women because there are many, many men who believe that sexual abuse of girls is OK. All male schools can perpetuate a prevailing ideology, particularly religious schools. Is the fault Islam? Of course not. The fault is a culture which has corrupted religion to justify abhorrent practices. That group of people are at fault, not the millions of other Muslims going about their blameless business.

Milk, we've had a flood of new posters starting "disingenuous" threads & screenshots of the replies then appearing on TRA accounts on Twitter.

That's why caution levels are high just now.