Why is it that transwomen don't want to use men's toilets...

[YoureOnOurTerfNow]

And go to men's prisons when they are biologically intact?

Is it because when they are dressed as women they feel more vulnerable and KNOW that men are statistically more dangerous than women?

So they don't want to go into a men's toilet where a bloke might get offended and mad at them?
Or a men's prison where a man might be angry at a trans person or may sexually assault them?

But then they are happy to invade women's spaces and do the same to them?

They don't want to face men in their spaces because of fear so they turn that fear onto women instead because they are perceived as weaker, less of a threat?

Well it could be because they believe they are women. But that doesn’t mean they are. There was a man in the USA who believed he was a 6 year old girl. Left his wife and children and lives with his new 'parents' who look after him as is he is that age.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stefonknee-wolschtt-transgender-father-leaves-family-in-toronto-to-start-new-life-as-a-six-year-old-a6769051.html
I think, and science backs me, that being a man or a women isn’t a matter of what one thinks of oneself. It is an actual scientific truth.
A person with anorexia doesn’t see them self as thin. A person with body dismorphia thinks they are ugly. A well functioning society doesn’t allow them to continue with these false illusions. It helps and treats them.

a man in the US

Canada. Can't recall his family name but he now calls himself Stefoknee.

Because men's toilets tend to be a bit stinky?

This is a men's problem, its been foisted on us

I was going to post something amusing, but as I don't want to be banned I think I will keep it to myself

Some of it is about validation and some of it is just about being incensed when women say no.

Because they feel less threatened from women obviously. That would change if the 'ladies' get taken over by men in dresses, and god knows where real women would go to do their business.

god knows where real women would go to do their business.

The gents.

Because the dodgy blokes will all be in the ladies.

Yes. They feel safer.

But how can they morally decide to use the women's loos to feel safe from men when they are essentially bringing men into the womens loos

It's so selfish.

Because as women we use the women’s facilities, as society expects us to.

If we had all been raised to use GN facilities then we would, without question, but we’ve been trained to be separate and we do as society tells us.

IF it were true that their primary concern was getting away from men, then using a gender neutral single occupancy space would satisfy their needs.

But they scream bloody murder about being forced to use spaces where women aren't present, so obviously there's something else which drives their need to shower next to naked women.

hmmm, what could it be, I wonder.

In regards to the prison thing, I think TRA try and make us think of a transwomen that is attractive and passes being put in the male estate.

Obviously anyone would say no that person should not be in the male estate, she will be attacked by the men.

But actually the reality is Karen White, a fat gross old man. He wasn't in any danger of being sexually assaulted in the male estate. He may have been assulted for being a nonce but that a different matter.

I suspect that for the majority (the modern AWAs, TRAs, autogynephiles etc, not necessarily the 'old-school' transexuals) it's not that they don't want to use the Gents', but that they want to use the Ladies'.

After all, those who maintain that they don't need to perform any kind of femininity pass perfectly as men, so they're not in any more danger in the Gents' than men are.

Toilets are 'validation booths' for a particular kind of transgender man.

What theOther said. It's the most private of public spaces for women. It is where women and children are partially unclothed and vulnerable.

Why does it surprise anyone that people born and socialised as men are selfish? You only have to take a look at the relationships board to see that that is hardly a rare phenomenon.

At first I assumed it was about validation, but I now realise it's about removing sex segregation. Otherwise tra would attempt to limit the male population who have access to 'womens' spaces.

I've just Googled Karen White. It must be lies. This stuff never happens right?

Trans women say they fear male violence if they use mens’ facilities.

We also fear male violence.

So the thing that trans women should be addressing is male violence, not toilet provision.

Seems not to be happening though, much easier (and I suspect more gratifying) to tell the women to move over.

If they were afraid of male violence, they wouldn't want trans men in men's loos either, but they do, so it can't be that.

But trans men aren't men either.

They just pose a hell of a lesser risk because they are bio females.

Funny how you don't see trans men kicking off left right and centre.