Exhausted and depressed by the power and misogyny of TRAs

[ConfessionsOfTeenageDramaQueen]

I can't understand how the TRA lobby has been able to hoodwink so many organisations so quickly and so forcefully.

It is madness to me: the emperor obviously has no clothes but almost everyone is pretending he has and everyone else is too scared to speak up and point out he hasn't even if they know it.

But I am exhausted by the mental energy it is taking to fight this, engage (especially in a calm and rational way so as not to scare people off) and generally keep pushing back.

My DH - while wholeheartedly agreeing with me - thinks it comes down to arguing with idiots on social media and I should take a step back but then I remember Karen White, Jess Bradley, Pips Bunce, and I realise this isn't an academic argument - it's real and it's impacting women in the real world - and I need to keep fighting.

I am trying to move my social media activism into real-world activism, first by peak-transing friends, but also by getting involved with protest, groups etc.

But I'm just so tired. And I can't see when/where this will end. It sort of all feels inevitable.

Just rambling... and wondering if anyone feels the same.

What gets me is the total lack of any care about the TRA agenda here in the US. We are seeing the affects you are fighting against. But it's seen as a minor issue, compared to the Kavanaugh confirmation to the supreme court and other "democratic" tactics. No one has any deep feminist awareness. Well hardly anyone. It's exhausting and terrifying

Completely agree OP is seriously depressing. I try and talk to people irl and they look at me like I'm insane, like I'm talking complete white it's so unbelievable.

Most people have no idea whatsoever what is going on. When I talk about Karen White etc people don't believe me. I talk about transgender athletes in women's sport and people look at me blankly.

White = shite

Thanks for those links, I'll certainly look at them.

I have had to take a break from the FWR boards because all this was seriously getting to me and I was having some weird dissociation reaction or something a few months ago. I had bought a ticket to go to the woman's place Newcastle meeting, but wasn't well enough to go. I have aspergers and it just overwhelmed me and I felt frightened as well. I'm grateful to the women who are working so hard to get all this out there and get women's voices heard.

I think that the toxic way the tra people are behaving is just going to peak more and more people though. It's an own goal.

I take breaks from Twitter and FWR when I feel I need them.
That happens quite often, even though I'm very much a lurker on both. First thing this morning I saw on Twitter was women being referred to as 'menstruators' by a NYC based company.

On a brighter note, a close friend has been peaked, at last, by the use of 'non-men' in the 'About' section of one of her (former) favourite FB groups.

I'm convinced that self ID will go through and am trying to focus my thoughts on the aftermath when we 'non-men menstruators' are dealing with this shit on a daily basis.

I despair, especially for younger women.

I'm wondering how the general public will deal with the aftermath. I live and work in a very traditional working class area and non of the people I encounter would tolerate this nonsense and would object loudly and very bluntly if faced with a man in a women's area.

It worries me that the police appear to be neglecting the investigation of regular crimes and instead are investigating people for thought crimes instead.

I've wondered the same, bismuth.

I've been banging on about this since 2012. Six fucking years. I'm burnt out. I need a break but it's too important to give up now. But I post far less than I did. My health is crap anyway, which doesn't help.

I'm wondering how the general public will deal with the aftermath. I live and work in a very traditional working class area and non of the people I encounter would tolerate this nonsense and would object loudly and very bluntly if faced with a man in a women's area.

Either the government will go full totalitarian, or it will be impossible to uphold.

Maybe that's been part of the point all along, the find out which individuals won't just go along with whatever the powers that be say and have a reason to arrest them.

I still don't think trans is the end game, it's softening us up for something else.

I still don't think trans is the end game, it's softening us up for something else.

I believe so, too. Even though it sounds nuts. (Not nuttier that TWAW, though).

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Related to something posted in another thread - I really can't recommend enough familiarizing yourself with the political history of the Soviet Union (and other totalitarian states) in terms of understanding how societies are manipulated and controlled. I don't think it's a coincidence that those of us who have a long history of studying those states are overrepresented on both the critical side and the full steam ahead with the reprogramming side of the trans issue.

Related to something posted in another thread - I really can't recommend enough familiarizing yourself with the political history of the Soviet Union (and other totalitarian states) in terms of understanding how societies are manipulated and controlled.

I have only read a bit of Hannah Arendt's work on totalitarian societies, and it is compelling to draw comparisons to the current state of affairs. Funny enough, she is one of those philosophers / political theorists, whose writing I can understand. Almost like she wants her writings to be understood.

I still don't think trans is the end game, it's softening us up for something else.

I agree..

Softening us up to accept paedophilia as the norm? Or a misogynistic state where women are stripped of their rights and more or less kept indoors for breeding purposes or to be exploited sexually?

Years ago, I posted a thread about how I felt paedophilia would be pushed as an agenda and how it would eventually be forced upon the public who would have to accept it. I was called paranoid and nuts etc., but boundaries are being pushed in all kinds of ways and if women are stripped of the right to protect our children, then what might happen?

The public seem to be constantly fed a diet of distracting rubbish on tv and there is no intelligent conversation regarding societal issues.

Softening us up to accept paedophilia as the norm?

Could be. But I believe, it is more like softening it up to accept a 'benign technocracy' that nudges people along as needed, even if it is against the people's own interests - which they may not even be able to grasp, because they have unlearned critical thinking skills (or at least people understand that critical thinking is bad, if it disturbs the harmony of society, say, by hurting somebody's feelings).

Think China.

Ah, right, I see. I'm finding that I'm constantly having to second guess everything the authorities do now to find the real reason behind things. I'm not well educated, so don't know if I'm being paranoid.

Ah, right, I see. I'm finding that I'm constantly having to second guess everything the authorities do now to find the real reason behind things. I'm not well educated, so don't know if I'm being paranoid.

Well, I am only guessing here, too, just like you. (And I feel like a tinfoilhatter for it, but it is, arguably, not crazier than the current TWAW business). Paedophilia and/or transhumanism (implants, chips instead of passports or cash and total supervision, resulting in total control) may well be part of the deal, to uproot the people, isolate us, make us fully dependent and forget our history, making us docile sheeple as a result.

I really can't recommend enough familiarizing yourself with the political history of the Soviet Union (and other totalitarian states) in terms of understanding how societies are manipulated and controlled.

Indeed. Visited and then worked in one of the ex-Soviet satellite countries before and after the fall of communism and have a friend who grew up in the DDR at the time of the Stasi - this methodology is all strikingly familiar.

Like many things, once seen, can't be unseen. Forewarned is forearmed I suppose?

I just hope we haven't already passed the tipping point where it's too late for resistance to make any different.

RE deepwater's point, look at China too. A lot of what we're seeing at universities and in the Labour Party draws heavily on the Maoist model.

I was heartened when I spoke to my partner (finally) about this. I know he is very leftist and open minded. I sent him an article to open up the debate. he expressed that he felt torn because his own bullied upbringing made him immediately sympathetic of groups that can seem to be targets. this includes women.

This is why he was torn - he felt empathy for both sides.

Then he thought again and realised that transwomen are men. They are the same class that bullied him, that treat the women he loves badly. he then saw it as an infiltration and an attempt to undermine women's boundaries. He was able to see all this without losing his empathy for those with genuine dysphoria (a point we both agreed on).

One on one conversations will often end in a compromise of sorts. most people want to come to a place where they understand the opinions of other people even if they don't entirely agree.

Focus on those people. others will be dogmatic for the sake of being so. they are the ones who don't care about women's boundaries. Those have always been the men we should avoid.

China are currently developing technology where workers wear a hat that 'reads their emotions' so if they are having a less productive day workers are sent home rather than make mistakes for example.

The extent of where the technology is being used to effectively 'plug in humans' in a way in which they no longer have an individual identity or human value is scary.

www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2143899/forget-facebook-leak-china-mining-data-directly-workers-brains
‘Forget the Facebook leak’: China is mining data directly from workers’ brains on an industrial scale

Government-backed surveillance projects are deploying brain-reading technology to detect changes in emotional states in employees on the production line, the military and at the helm of high-speed trains

This stuff goes BEYOND the lingustic gaslighting of '1984' and starts to verge on becoming Star Trek's Borg where people are assimulated against their will, and resistance is futile.

And its ACTUALLY happening.

You would be looking at a slave class made of the working class, and a middle class who benefit from this, but are at risk of becoming the slave class, if they do not behave whilst there is a rich elite who can do anything. And I do mean anything, in the sense of the excesses of dictators like Saddam, where humanity has become utterly meaningless.

It makes Hitler and Stalin look like they were amatuers, put it that way.

I just hope we haven't already passed the tipping point where it's too late for resistance to make any different.

Thats my very real fear.

I think we might.

In which case, I will be convicted of crimes against the state sooner or later. It wouldn't need to be for thought crime, owning extremist material would be sufficient.

Extremist material would include history and biology books currently used in schools.

I believe the eradication of natal women is the end game. Look at what’s being done in the biomedics field, artificial wombs etc. And look who’s funding it.
A world of artificial women just for men’s fun, and the artificial wombs for human reproduction. Makes George Orwell look like a dalek.