Anybody think we could do with some accurate polling?

[LangCleg]

If so, a YouGov survey asking unambiguous questions about male bodies and female spaces would be very helpful, right?

I couldn't possibly link to a crowdfund for that exact purpose on here but @helenstaniland on Twitter might have some helpful information. Two questions would be good but, as I type, I'm thinking that three questions would be better.

Woohoo! Is it about £350 a question? I reckon it could get to 10.

That might be one of the best uses of Crowdfunder I've seen.

Great idea - have donated.

Gosh, £2,450.

Donated - thanks for highlighting

Placemarking. Can't donate at the moment but will do later.

It only needs another £70 to reach the stretch - do we think they've going to go full on ambitious?

And the stretch target is in the rear-view mirror. :)

"are you in favour of abolishing the last remaining circumstances whereby sex can be recognised in law?"
"What sort of criminal punishment do you feel is appropriate for all female groups who meet without the presence of males?"
"Should it be illegal for biological females to declare they exist as a separate group from biological males?"
"Are you in favour of all male governments as long as half identify as women?"

I'd pay towards a crowdfunded poll, yes.

Helen S says she in touch with academics about the questions. I've seen that Prof Rosa Freedman is in support:

This is an excellent idea, and hopefully will take place before the GRA consultations closes

twitter.com/GoonerProf/status/1048882926132322304

Very good idea. I’ve donated.

Helen's raised enough for six questions and doesn't need any more cash.

Well done everyone!

That was quick! Really interested to see how it goes. I would be happy to donate more for a follow up.

I think it's really important actually that the questions are phrased in as unbiased a way as possible - it should be worded in such a way that it would be possible for the poll to demonstrate that actually the majority of the population are fully aware that most transwomen's bodies are indistinguishable, scientifically speaking, from men's bodies and are nevertheless absolutely fine with women's spaces being fully inclusive of transwomen. Maybe the survey will prove that it's actually only a tiny minority, say less than 2%, who think biology matters. If the questions are "leading" or phrased in a way that assumes anyone with their head on straight will answer in a particular way, then the results of the whole survey will get dismissed. I hope Helen can use some of the funds to get some neutral academic advice to assist her in phrasing the questions in an unbiased way.

Great idea. The questions will need careful wording, interested to see what they pick.

I hope Helen can use some of the funds to get some neutral academic advice to assist her in phrasing the questions in an unbiased way.

On her Twitter she says that she is doing this.

Cool. "Terfs commission research proving that there are lots of terfs" wouldn't be a helpful headline.

Rigorous research following scientific standards showing how many people combine a generally supportive and non-transphobic live-and-let-live attitude with an insistence that the law mustn't negate facts and science or require a belief in a fantasy will be useful for both sides. I would be genuinely interested to know if a belief in science is a minority view. I'm happy to accept that I am in the minority if this is the case. I wouldn't dispute the rights of the majority to structure society along the lines of this new genderism faith if that's what everyone honestly believes. Maybe the 2 or 3 hundred of us who are not of the faith could go and found a colony on an uninhabited island somewhere? Or we could find that we are the majority.

Is there anyone on mumsnet that is connected to this poll? @LangCleg maybe?

I thought results would be quite swift once the crowdfunder reached its target?