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Gender neutral toilets at Bournemouth Uni **Thread title edited by MNHQ**

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PretendingToBeAMuggle · 06/10/2018 17:38

Please can you help me with links/arguments against men in female toilets? (I'm waiting for clarification as to whether this is a post for a third toilet space - gender neutral, rather than encroaching on female only spaces.) But expect to get massive flak and probably backlash. This is a group I'm in on Facebook which promotes being 'woke' and is probably full of TRAs waiting to shout Down and dissent. As you can tell I'm not very articulate but any help to my argument would be greatly appreciated, I'll post screenshots below

OP posts:
LangCleg · 09/10/2018 10:15

Gender is a protected characteristic

No it isn't.

LangCleg · 09/10/2018 10:16

a lot of ladies loos have that twee poem about being a sweetie and wiping the seatie

No they don't.

BrownPaperTeddy · 09/10/2018 10:18

LangCleg

Ok, not in your experience but every pub in my hometown has it on the back of each door.

My point is that women, as well as men, wee on the seat and don't clear it up or leave the cubicles in a mess.

That isn't a valid argument against unisex or gender neutral toilets.

LangCleg · 09/10/2018 10:40

every pub in my hometown has it on the back of each door

Gosh. Never seen one. How surprising they're so popular in your town.

My point is that women, as well as men, wee on the seat and don't clear it up or leave the cubicles in a mess.

Christ. NAMALT now extends to toilet seats FFS.

BrownPaperTeddy · 09/10/2018 10:45

Christ. NAMALT now extends to toilet seats FFS.

Whatever. That was 2 other posters on this thread that made it their main argument against unisex toilets, not me. Their argument against men using the same toilets as women were that that they pee on the seats, not safety concerns or anything else, but that they piss on the seats.

But whatever. Just ignore that and just pick on my post.

LangCleg · 09/10/2018 10:50

Just ignore that and just pick on my post.

That's because you did the NAMALT. That's how it works.

Are you hoping for another forty pages of circularity? Or shall I just move straight to WEETABIX?

AngryAttackKittens · 09/10/2018 10:51

I vote for Weetabix.

There are places where just walking past the men's bogs is unpleasant because they reek so badly. There's a restaurant near me that has signage telling men to "stand closer - it's shorter than you think".

It was a good thing I wasn't in the middle of drinking anything first time I spotted that!

Racecardriver · 09/10/2018 10:53

At my university the gender neutral loos have become a popular location for quickies.

BrownPaperTeddy · 09/10/2018 10:54

GreyPJs

They’re vile because they’re filthy I mean. Piss everywhere. I don’t think it’s women’s piss, let’s put it that way!

So this is an entire post, arguing against gender neutral toilets, but not worth anyone highlighting that it isn't a useful argument for keeping sex segregated toilets?

Ok. And do go ahead posting about breakfast cereals please. Some might say it says more about you if you do that.

deepwatersolo · 09/10/2018 10:55

Gender is a protected characteristic, like race, age sexuality.

No it is not. Who sold you that lie? Who comes up with this type of gaslighting?

AngryAttackKittens · 09/10/2018 10:56

Indeed, it says that she has terrible taste in breakfast items.

Hmm

But an excellent sense of when not engaging may be the wiser course of action.

LangCleg · 09/10/2018 11:00

There's a restaurant near me that has signage telling men to "stand closer - it's shorter than you think".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

But, but, but... NAMALT!!

AngryAttackKittens · 09/10/2018 11:02

The part aimed at women says "ladies, please remain seated for the entire performance".

LangCleg · 09/10/2018 11:02

At my university the gender neutral loos have become a popular location for quickies.

Known as snogging sheds in schools, apparently.

JackyHolyoake · 09/10/2018 11:03

WillChellam "Gender is a protected characteristic, like race, age sexuality."

No Will, gender reassignment is a protected characteristic [insofar as it applies to transsexuals], as is sex [ie; female and male].

See: www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/part/2/chapter/1

AngryAttackKittens · 09/10/2018 11:07

You know, I had an adventurous youth, but the idea of sex in a toilet never appealed. The smell, the germs, the cold uncomfortable surfaces...it's not exactly an enticing setting, is it?

LangCleg · 09/10/2018 11:07

So this is an entire post, arguing against gender neutral toilets, but not worth anyone highlighting that it isn't a useful argument for keeping sex segregated toilets?

Well, you obviously thought so because you highlighted it, using NAMALT as your objection. So I snorted at NAMALT extending to toilet seats.

See? I can follow a conversation all by myself.

Anyway. Enough diversionary circularity. Good luck with getting he said she said to another forty pages. I think I'll have some lunch instead.

LangCleg · 09/10/2018 11:08

You know, I had an adventurous youth, but the idea of sex in a toilet never appealed. The smell, the germs, the cold uncomfortable surfaces...it's not exactly an enticing setting, is it?

Back of the bike sheds was cold but infinitely preferable to all the toilet seat mess that the women are just as bad as the men at making, right?!

AngryAttackKittens · 09/10/2018 11:09

See? I can follow a conversation all by myself.

Less of a skill than being able to have an entire conversation with yourself, you have to admit.

AveEldon · 09/10/2018 11:12

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Datun · 09/10/2018 11:12

I'm guessing urinals were invented as a quicker, easier, tidier way of men having a piss.

It's undeniable that men's wee gets on the seat, or the rim, or the floor. Drips. Any woman who cleans the family bathroom knows this.

Since this topic has come up, a lot of men have said it's not deliberate, it's just quite hard to aim. Hence urinals. (Although that doesn't explain why they can't use a bit of loo roll to wipe it up.)

Women don't have the luxury of peeing standing up. Very many women I know will never put their bum on a public loo seat. We hover. And of course it's far worse in a unisex loo.

There are all sorts of reasons I don't want unisex toilets. Drips are definitely one of them. But it's not the main one.

If they are designing unisex toilets, they really need to completely rethink how both men and women can urinate in them, and women aren't having to sit on it.

BrownPaperTeddy · 09/10/2018 11:15

If they are designing unisex toilets, they really need to completely rethink how both men and women can urinate in them, and women aren't having to sit on it.

Unisex toilets aren't new though, are they?

And I use disabled toilets - they are all unisex. Should we have single sex disabled toilets too then?

Datun · 09/10/2018 11:19

Unisex toilets aren't new, but the rate at which they are being built/allocated is new.

stopthecavalry · 09/10/2018 11:29

Yes Ave
The pedant in me wishes the op would report the thread and amend the title. It should read 'Bournemouth Uni'.

NicoAndTheNiners · 09/10/2018 11:32

We have unisex, gender neutral toilets at work and the blokes leave the seats up. Plus the little cubicles open straight into the main open plan office/corridor thing and I get nervous incase the door hasn't locked properly.

Went and tracked down some women's only toilets at far end of building yesterday to find someone had shit all over the seat.

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