National Autistic Society and Mermaids [Title edited by MNHQ]

[GColdtimer]

My friend just posted this on Facebook this morning. She isn't on MN so I have her permission to share. She would really like more people, especially people with ASD or who have children with ASD, to write to NAS thanking them for their willingness to listen and their agreement that Mermaids is not reputable.

This is really great news so please can we keep this bumped and shared. Thank you.

If posters on the SEN board would like to share that would also be great (if appropriate).

Dear XXXX ,

Thank you for your feedback regarding the Gender and autism page on our website.

I’m writing to let you know that I’ve raised your concerns regarding Mermaids UK, one of the organisations we link to on our Gender and autism page, with a number of teams within the National Autistic Society. In light of the concerns raised in your message, and of other feedback that we have received, we have decided to remove all links to Mermaids UK from our website, while we take the time to consult with relevant professionals and to reconsider which organisations we wish to place links to on our website.

As such, our Web Team are working to remove all links to Mermaids UK from our website as soon as possible. Please do be aware, however, that, as we are currently in the process of updating our website to reflect our new branding and organisational identity, it may take a few days for this to be actioned.

Thank you again for bringing this to our attention, and I hope that you are satisfied with the actions we are taking in light of the concerns that you have raised.

Kind regards,

National Autistic Society

[Edited by MNHQ to remove personal info]

She illegally treated children who have autism with experimental drugs, using an unregistered online clinic

That’s correct and just a longer way of saying what we already said. Not sure why there’s such scrutinisation of our words but there you go 💁🏽‍♀️

or to be even more accurate:

She illegally treated children who have autism with experimental drugs, using an unregistered unlicenced online clinic.

I'm just not sure comparing them to the Nazi regime is helpful

It might not be helpful in your opinion, but in mine it's very very similar and to close for comfort.

If i understand correctly the cross sex hormones provided by Dr Helen Webberly sterilised kids?
Is this correct?

If you challenge NAS making these points you'll struggle, the links between autistic and trans advocacy, activism and academia are very strong.

I have no intention of challenging the NAS, I have no interst in using or supporting them again. I'm disgusted, I've made my disgust known but i'm not gpoing to stop other people using them.

If you challenge NAS making these points you'll struggle, the links between autistic and trans advocacy, activism and academia are very strong

For me the focus is speaking the truth. The truth is children are being and have been, experimented on and considering the entire point of the post is how it affects vulnerable autistic kids more, I think our comments are entirely valid and correct. I’m not going to stop saying it because my hope is that the NAS will still prioritise autistic children and what we alert them to will make a difference.

I personally wouldn’t make a direct comparison to the Nazis because I think, ‘experimenting illegally on children’ is enough 😐

I think its very useful to compare this situation to the Nazis. The cognitive dissonance of some people to be able to dismiss objecting to illegal experimentation on children as 'transphobia' is very telling of how Hitler was able to get millions of people to support and commit genocide. I though Godwins law was just the recognition that people will frequently compare stuff to the Nazis. Just because it happens often doesn't make it a bad thing. For the world to compare everything it does to one of our last biggest mistakes to make sure we don't do it again is a good thing in my opinion. If we understand what happened in Nazi Germany we can learn a lot about human nature and what makes human being commit atrocities. Why wouldn't we want to check everything we do against it? Especially when it involves the potential of future atrocities and human rights abuses of which illegal experimentation on children and sterilising them for life certainly is. When something is questionable as to whether it is a human rights abuse do we want to check it against Nazi Germany to compare and see whether it is? - absolutely we do

Does anyone have links to anything about Dr Webberley being criminally convicted - thank you

lunarain

Gosh that’s a really good way of wording it, thank you for that. It’s really valid.

Does anyone have links to anything about Dr Webberley being criminally convicted - thank you
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-45767360

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gp-guilty-of-running-illegal-sex-change-clinic-65xjzcdqr

www.breitbart.com/london/2018/10/07/guilty-doctor-ran-illegal-transgender-clinic-12-year-old-children-treated/

She has said she's still going to continue doing it.

Yup, that’s the other disturbing thing. She isn’t going to stop.

I just rang the NAS. I explained that I know they will be being contacted by trans activists who will be saying the exact same thing about me as I am saying about them. i.e. we are both saying the other is part of a dangerous unscrupulous activist movement that seeks to do harm. I asked her to look at one crucial difference. The fact that they are the only ones trying to shut down the debate and to question why that is. If women like me are so dangerous why are we the ones who want open debate whilst they are the ones trying to shut it down. She assured me they will look at this from all angles. I also told her as a lesbian that Stonewall dont represent lesbians. Anyway if you want to phone them you can call their supporter line on: 08088001050

spiritual people are not discriminating, people are scared and if you took the time to listen you'd know why.
Transexuals, homosexual, bisexuals, straight men and women, they aren't transphobia, they are worried about the implications of the GRA reform on their rights, they are asking for discussion. Thousands have signed that petition, from every walk of life, every sexuality and every colour, unity and acceptance over a very worrying thing.

Meanwhile you have transactivists who are alienation and silencing everyone who disagrees with one opinion.

Who's really working towards equality for all?

Or to put it simply, the people who are praising and condoning Dr Webberley's unethical, unregistered, unlicensed experimental work on kids....

...and the people who aren't.

EventuallyMermaidswill be exposed and crash too
but sadly only after a huge number of children have their bodies and lives ruined

There will eventually be a tsunami of claims of medical malpractice and outright abuse

Doctors will be struck off
Politicans who supported the TRA / Mermaids agenda will hide, just like those who fell for the WMD hoax and supported the Iraq invasion

I totally agree,,this is happening in plain sight. The names of all those responsible are here on this website and Twitter and online papers and blogs.
When the inevitable happens, I will be there making damn sure no one escapes with their name intact.
None of them should be able to wring their hands and say they didn't know.
The emails I have sent to various mps and political parties and the GMC and whoever else, are all saved ready to be brought out to prove they damn well knew and did nothing.
They should not be allowed to escape any criticism, if that means they lose their job, tough.

I find that scrolling works wonders. Don't get in the mud with a pig - you'll only get dirty and the pig will enjoy it.

Yes I guess. It just annoys me how disablism is always left to stand on this site. And when disabled people/parents of disabled children object to this blatant double standard, they are told that they are left to stand as education is key.

I will also make sure those are held accountable too but it still doesn’t protect the kids who will be the casualty of this crap and that makes me mad that they don’t wake up now!

PersonWithAVulva

I’m with you. MNHQ are so hypocritical. This thread has highlighted that for me. Someone not autistic, with no autistic children, is very plainly trolling a thread on autism and making several ableist comments.

I’ve reported them. They do nothing. But if I misgender someone... shameful ableist society we fucking live in.

This is what I said to NAS. Surely safeguarding such trump their review policy re. Mermaids. Fine they are reviewing it all but I asked them what about any parents who refer their autistic child to Mermaids after finding it on the NAS website during this time they have chosen to keep it up there. I asked them what will they do if during this time a parent does refer their child their because of NAS recommendation and that child gets put on hormones etc and then the parents realise that Mermaids in harmful and how will that affect the reputation of the NAS

Have we all seen this analysis of trans children's suicide statistics by Michael Biggs, Associate Professor of Sociology at the University of Oxford? Unsurprisingly, they completely fly in the face of those bandied about by Susie Green and co:

www.transgendertrend.com/suicide-by-trans-identified-children-in-england-and-wales/

PersonWithAVulva

I have had no intention to offend. I worded my sentence to say "ONE of the most attacked communities". That does not demean the struggles and prejudices disabled people face every day, and which is something which does really need, not just to be addressed, but challenged and fought against. I have fought many times against ATOS, and the decisions they have made against the most vunerable in society. I have been involved with programmes to help people with physical and cerebral challenges as they try to come to terms with having to stand alone with a Government which has shunned those most in need for the last 40 years. But, at the same time, I can also stand up for the rights of other people in society. I am not transgender, nor do I have any desire to feel that I have to determine my sex or gender to anyone. But I can stand up for people who I feel are being attacked one way or another. And I see the protests against a website having a very obscured link to a registered charity as being something which should be challenged.

That does not mean that I do not respect, or demean what yourself is going through. But, if I have said anything, on here, which you can point out that is disparaging towards disabled persons, then please quote me and, as I have said, I will report myself and apologise.