Who is the driving force behind the Trans agenda?

[StandingOvulation]

Long time lurker becoming braver in FC.

I'd like to know where all the money and power is coming from driving this juggernaut. I've read through many many threads, but not really worked it out.

Also I also would like to know how the change from transsexual (always thought were very few men, very benign) to the transgender tour de force of today.

Obviously I know the ultimate aim of the TRA - obliteration of woman.

Please be basic with me, I'm nowhere near as well read as the intellectuals I see in here.

Tia

Jenny Pritzker is a transwoman billionaire (sister was in Obama admin), Martine Rosenblatt is a Pharma CEO who is into transhumanism and a transwoman. Yeah, and Soros‘ open society foundation. What the endgame is, idk.

If you listen to right wing YouTube, Full tinfoil hat, they will say this is to destroy our culture and to atomize humans, so they are easily governable, microchipped serfs, governed by a technocracy, the new world order. Basically Icke minus the lizard people. Hungary‘s Orban seems to believe as much.

So the choice is basically currently, the Western madness with a complete loss of any boundaries, or nationalist strongmen like Orban, Putin. Reason is dead. It is utterly depressing. And it feels like a standoff of elites, globalist vs nationalist, with the people represented by no one.

I don't think money necessarily needs to be an explanation. Power, status, the feeling of belonging to an exclusive virtuous group, could well be enough, IMO.

Compare it to Freudianism - a totally made up (and damaging) set of beliefs about psychology that swept society in the 20s and 30s and swiftly became unchallangable orthodoxy. Partly because Freud got in first with his theories, partly because he acted to suppress and villify any challengers. He was able to set up himself and his followers as the unquestionable experts (rather like Stonewall has done) in a virtual echo chamber. Anyone who questioned it was regarded as ignorant and regressive (and probably in prudish denial about the sexual elements of the doctrine).

Like Freudian psychoanalysts, a lot of people with fake expertise about trans matters have been able to gain a lot of status and employment, and do a lot of psychologically rewarding virtue-signalling as well.

When you add the power of social media to that, and the fear people have of seeming to be anti LGB rights if the question the T part, I think that could well be enough to explain the whole thing.

Good comparison kesstrel.
There is a certain type of power that doctors and others wield in being seen to cure the sick which can be dangerously corrupted.
There was a recent thread on how lobotomies were used to "treat" women with mental health problems -epilepsy and possibly autism including one of the Kennedys, leaving them as zombies.
Twilight sleep was another older scandals
And then the Andrew Wakefield affair, he fabricated data to create the MMR panic and singlehandedly brought measles back
Mermaids and the like have a saviour complex, seeing themselves as heroes but in the future they will be vilified for having sterilised and mutilated teenagers.

I think that Stonewall merely saw a ball and, having lost their original ball, picked it up and ran with it. I think the pharma companies did much the same.

What I think is really behind it is rich white men wanting to strengthen the patriarchal society since they started losing ground to feminism. Very conspiracy theory, I know .

So, basically some powerful men start finding that things are not quite as wondrous for them as they used to be - wife being a bit uppity, daughters refusing to bow down to their superior wisdom, dammit women showing less respect. As bad as that was, then come women in the boardrooms (one is one too many) and then fhs into Parliament. Got to stop this awful trend. The gels are meant to stay at home and make nice meals, do the hoovering, where are those clean white shirts? The wife wants a bloody job! So they see some bloke who used to be famous saying he's a woman now, and encourage him (obviously, he remains male when golfing), and then a word here and there and Student Unions and Stonewall jump.

Just my imagination. No facts or anything

kesstrel - That's a really interesting analogy, and makes a lot of sense

I think an awful lot of men secretly nestle under the edges of the trans umbrella as someone else on these boards put it (sorry can't remember who but I totally agreed with them) and/or are attracted to those who do so there's a vested interest right there...

I think an awful lot of men secretly nestle under the edges of the trans umbrella

When you say 'an awful lot', what sort of percentage are we talking about here ? - don't rush to answer this as I'm just out (err...going to a pub rather than emerging from some closet or other).

There is also an element for politicians of being able to virtue signal without having to do anything that might radically change the status quo, though it looks like this one has backfired.

I have a starting point for Ministers pushing the agenda.

It is 2010 and the civil servants in the Equalities Department hand the new Minister (Lynn Featherstone Lib Dem, coalition Minister) a draft document that was eventually published in December 2011 entitled "Advancing Transgender Equality: An Action Plan"

They had read her mind and anticipated that it was an action plan that she would get behind. Amazing!

She said:

And my civil servants, you know, they had already read up all about me. They were very clever. It is not as if I was some kind of foreign body coming in. I found I had a submission for a transgender action plan, which I would have done, but they had thought ahead from everything I had said on the Equality Bill. I thought how very clever. I mean, that wasn’t on anyone’s list but they had obviously decided that would be one of my priorities. You know, just lots of stuff like that. But that was all given. They knew what Lib Dem priorities were, so they were and submissions came up and I quickly understood what a submission was. I always felt they were quite woolly, some of them, just not very good alternatives given, not always proper thinking. *

Civil Servants are so clever, aren't they. And Lib Dems, too. Lib Dem fingerprints all over it - who'd have thought it?

*www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/ministers-reflect/person/lynne-featherstone/

Regarding the edges nestling - I bet Dr Horrors is one such candidate. The way he is invested...

to distract from brexit?

Thanks all, there's some great starting points for research and pondering here.

Stephen Whittle via the organisation 'Press for Change' was instrumental in getting the GRA passed in 2004. I reckon they have a lot of influence behind the scenes.

But where did those civil servants get the agenda from? I mean is it really just that austerity and neloberalism have eviscerated democracy to the point, where a hand full of wealthy guys can push their pet projects through, from Brexit to the validation of their kinky selves, and if some guy gets off on hunting pink rabbits, dying all rabbits pink is then the law of the land? Is that really all their is to it?

theOtherPamAyres

H'mmm, why does that not surprise me. Maybe suppressed male fetishes and kinks are a lot more prevalent that we realise....

It would certainly explain the widening of the trans umbrella.

I'm not sure about stats but there are many men who are cross dressers it's a very common paraphilia. And of course cross dressers are now under the trans umbrella.

I'm on these boards all the time and can't remember where I read it but in the past few days I'm sure someone posted something that iirc posited that 3% of men were into this? Happy to be corrected on that stat as my memory is shite.

Then there are those men who are sexually attracted specifically to those under the umbrella but may not like to admit to having what is in fact a same sex attraction so have a vested interest in TWAW and everyone else believing it to...

Not sure where SW gets his funding from. Academics usually need funding, especially for going to conferences abroad.

redsummershoes this started in the US and across Europe, way before Brexit became a thing.

It's international and started with cross dressing men's rights activists in the US. They managed to get it recognised internationally as a human rights issue.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3228002-Yogyakarta-principles

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3284051-yogyakarta-principles-plus-10

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3241837-Why-has-the-trans-lobby-been-so-successful

Formation of Press For Change: Stephen Whittle, Christine Burns etc
www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/22/voices-from-trans-community-prejudice

Bowl I've been saying similar re. the big pharma supposed conspiracy for ages. I looked up my HRT (genuine replacement, because I am a menopausal woman) in the British Formularly. HRT is cheap as chips. There is no big money to be made there.

Surgery - more of a market, but even so... (Unless surgeons think they can take insurance companies for huge sums of money if reassignment surgery becomes a human right.)

3% cross dressers is not much considering that an estimated 1% of males are into prepubescent kids, 2% if you increase the cutoff age to 14 year old kids.

This 2013 article sets out most of the core campaigners who have been pushing the agenda in the UK:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/22/voices-from-trans-community-prejudice

This talk by Shelia Jeffreys in London a couple of months ago charts the history of how TRAs managed to get international legal & policy changed to link 'gender identity' in with sexual orientation:

The key way this was achieved was via the UN's Yogyakarta Principles:
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From THe Guardian article above:
(extracts)
"It is eye-opening how trans people have only recently acquired the most basic of rights. Britain was one of the last countries in Europe to recognise a person's right to change their gender in law, and it was not until the Gender Recognition Act of 2004 that trans people could become a different gender in law. The court of appeal only established the right for people to access gender reassignment treatments on the NHS in 1999, and it only became illegal to sack someone who changed or planned to change their gender in 1997.

Whittle, who "transitioned" nearly 40 years ago, was one of three trans men and three trans women who did an unusual thing in 1992: they went to meet Liberal Democrat MP Alex Carlile in Westminster. The unusual element was not the meeting but the fact that they travelled together – at the time, trans people never dared to because it increased the likelihood that they would be spotted and abused. These six wanted to start a campaign group; Carlile advised them to avoid the word "transsexual". So, in Grandma Lee's teashop opposite Big Ben, an anodyne name, Press for Change, was chosen.

In the 90s, when she was chair of the Women's Supper Club of the local Conservative party association in Cheshire, she quietly joined Press for Change. Even then, the new activists dared not be openly trans. "The thing that held us back in the 1990s campaigning was that fear of being out," admits Burns. Eventually, she came out in 1995; she jokes that she realised she was more embarrassed to be a member of the Conservative party than openly transsexual.

Much of their campaigning remained on the quiet. The passage of the 2004 law to give trans people legal status was "remarkable," says Burns, because "the government was able to pass an entire act in parliament without anyone throwing a fit in the press" (continues)

Previous post, OP Sunkisses wrote:
"I did a search of Mumsnet and couldn't see any other posts about this extraordinary 1973 discussion show which was produced by transsexuals 45 years ago where they were given free-reign, free from editorial control. Four transsexuals are joined by a psychologist and an MP.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06c83f4/player

Where to start? Maybe with the show's producer and host, Della Aleksander, who is the most bizarre of all the participants. Della starts by claiming that a "chastened and wiser" Adolf Hitler and Queen Victoria have said, through a medium, that "there was a special role for me, in the reconstruction following a world wide collapse in 1978-79". Della also claims to have been sent from another world where the sexes don't exist and that transsexuals are the only model of a "higher race"! Della also claims to have founded the neo-Nazi sounding European National Movement in South Africa whilst serving in the Army there (I couldn't find any info on them, but they sound well dodgy to me).

Della also seems utterly confused, mis-using the terms 'bisexual' and 'intersex', and appearing to think these words mean transsexual, and that the appearance of nipples on a man means 'we are all transsexuals'. Della is, thankfully, corrected by the psychologist at 33.53 mins in who states that it is important to use the correct terminology, but Della wafts such trivialities away by saying "I don't want to get bogged down in medical questions". The MP, Leo Abse, argues against the 'trans umbrella' (before this term was invented by Stonewall etc) at 36 mins in.

There is clear evidence of autogynephilia (AGP - the sexual fetish of a man loving himself as a woman) at 33.23 when Della says the "sex act" is a "transsexual one", as "one attempts to become and absorb the beloved".

At 26 mins in one of the speakers, Rachel Bowen (the working class northern transsexual with dark hair), says that having a female birth certificate is a "status symbol". Another of the transsexuals, Laura Pralet, at 27 mins preposterously claims that "we are not a minority", and "I have never been a homosexual", even though Laura lives with and has married a man. Laura also says their husband is never happier when they are "in the kitchen", and at 31 mins in says they wanted to become a woman as "women have the best deal anyway".

It's absolutely fascinating and well worth a watch."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3327193-BBC-Open-Door-programme-45-years-ago-on-transsexuals-a-real-jaw-dropper

Interestingly from Stephen Whittle's Wiki page: 'He had read articles about people like Della Aleksander'