Who is the driving force behind the Trans agenda?

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Long time lurker becoming braver in FC.

I'd like to know where all the money and power is coming from driving this juggernaut. I've read through many many threads, but not really worked it out.

Also I also would like to know how the change from transsexual (always thought were very few men, very benign) to the transgender tour de force of today.

Obviously I know the ultimate aim of the TRA - obliteration of woman.

Please be basic with me, I'm nowhere near as well read as the intellectuals I see in here.

Tia

And then there's a large and influential vested interest in parts of academia

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3384385-hoax-papers-lampoon-grievance-studies

Such Pomo-addled nonsense that they can't spot hoaxes.

And that is what some people in this debate feel here. They fear that if they are seen to speak out and question the trend to change the law to allow ‘self-identification’, they will come to harm. Real harm.

So a clique of violent, well connected thugs is apparently all there is needed to upend Democracy? Depressing.

Dd has the whole "cis"thing off pat - I was astonished that all the terminology was so familiar to her. Exactly the same here and I can't even discuss it properly with her because she has depression and anxiety (as do so many of today's young people) I feel as though she's been kind of brainwashed, I'm genuinely scared.

So a sinister agenda coupled with such fantastic marketing that anyone under the age of 40 (?) is terrified about being on the "wrong" side of history seems to be a juggernaut that is unstoppable
The backlash is bigger than this debate. In stifling free speech, on this and many other topics, support for the extreme right wing is growing. When nobody cares about being called a racist or a homophobe we will have free speech, but at that point we will all be suffering.
It's a false dichotomy - silence "bigots" or slip into full-on Nazism. The reality is more that the silencing gives weight to crazy theories. There are real, obvious and reasonable concerns about self-id, for example. Making it equally taboo as suggesting a cabal of Jewish people rule the (flat) earth means the anti-semitic argument starts getting looked at as not impossible. (Disclaimer: obviously I do not believe any of that nonsense! But those views are out there.)
No-platforming people like Tatchell and Greer is madness and more importantly has not been challenged. They stayed no-platformed. Milo Yiannopoulos caused riots at Berkeley. Why? He might be objectionable but he should speak if he is invited, as should any speaker.
The very concept of free speech has been hijacked by the right, "freeze peach" is a meme used by the left to challenge it. How did we let this happen?
If the only people who can speak freely are called bigots, people will eventually just decide to be bigots, including all the woke kids in uni.
If this happens the alt-right concepts of trad wives, homophobia, racial segregation and a resurgent church will become edgy and taboo. Who stands to lose out? Most of the people who are currently on the left. We're like that polar bear standing on the tiny melting block of ice. But we're doing it to ourselves. Everything should be up for discussion. Everything. The things we believe are settled won't be settled for the new generation of real bigots so we need to have the courage to actively defend what we believe in and be able to face challenges, rather than designate some topics as out of bounds.

In stifling free speech, on this and many other topics, support for the extreme right wing is growing.

Turph, you've nailed it.
The current choice seems to be between Soros&Co and Orban&Co. It is ridiculous. The sane, grassroots left is basically dead and what we have instead is a totalitarian 'Left' that is in essence identity politics on steroids and neoliberal with a feminism that centers everything but women, or the 'free speech' Right, that sees feminism as the root of all evil. And neither has anything to do with the realities and challenges of the people, with anything that feels like a 'grassroot' movement.
I feel, as if I am stuck in a Kafka novel.
(The one 'positive' or rather entertaining aspect of the whole affair are the rightwing conspiracy vids on youtube. Some are incredibly funny.)

The current choice seems to be between Soros&Co and Orban&Co.
The Hungary Games?

Nice word play.But you know what, I wasn‘t aware (though l technically knew) they are both Hungarian.

Maybe the right has got it all wrong, and what we are really looking at is a grand conspiracy of Hungarians. They act like enemies, but work together and their end game is to make us all mad. And to that end, they have deviced the ultimate weapon: the crypto-Hungarian Donald J Trump.

Now that theory would make a cool vid for YouTube

People who really want the drive towards sex equality sent back a few decades, for old fashioned gender stereotypes to be reinforced.

For men to be manly and women to be feminine and submissive to the men.

People who want gay kids to be reassigned to their "correct gender".

And if they achieve this and make sqillions selling the pharmaceuticals, then ace job.

I was just re-reading this thread having gone looking for comments by Steve Bannon.
With all of the Brexit/Julian Assange/democracy/freedom of expression discussions there's a lot at stake.

‘I made Steve Bannon’s psychological warfare tool’: meet the data war whistleblower
For more than a year we’ve been investigating Cambridge Analytica and its links to the Brexit Leave campaign in the UK and Team Trump in the US presidential election. Now, 28-year-old Christopher Wylie goes on the record to discuss his role in hijacking the profiles of millions of Facebook users in order to target the US electorate'

by Carole Cadwalladr
(extract)
"A few months later, in autumn 2013, Wylie met Steve Bannon. At the time, he was editor-in-chief of Breitbart, which he had brought to Britain to support his friend Nigel Farage in his mission to take Britain out of the European Union.

What was he like?

“Smart,” says Wylie. “Interesting. Really interested in ideas. He’s the only straight man I’ve ever talked to about intersectional feminist theory. He saw its relevance straightaway to the oppressions that conservative, young white men feel.”

Wylie meeting Bannon was the moment petrol was poured on a flickering flame. Wylie lives for ideas. He speaks 19 to the dozen for hours at a time. He had a theory to prove. And at the time, this was a purely intellectual problem. Politics was like fashion, he told Bannon.

“[Bannon] got it immediately. He believes in the whole Andrew Breitbart doctrine that politics is downstream from culture, so to change politics you need to change culture. And fashion trends are a useful proxy for that. Trump is like a pair of Uggs, or Crocs, basically. So how do you get from people thinking ‘Ugh. Totally ugly’ to the moment when everyone is wearing them? That was the inflection point he was looking for.” (cont)

www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistleblower-christopher-wylie-faceook-nix-bannon-trump

From page 1 as I’m catching up.

For context, it takes about a billion dollars to bring the average drug to market.

Isn’t it about opening up new markets for already tested drugs. Thalidomide would have been safe, had it been used for the purpose for which it had been tested. But the market wasn’t big enough, so it was pushed off-label as a cure for morning sickness.

Isn’t Lupron also a drug with a relatively small usage? Now being used off label to a rapid-growth market in the US.

But also, I know “cross-sex hormones” are probably not huge money makers. But once you sterilise someone, they have to take synthetic hormones for life. That might not be an enormous market, but it’s a steady one for years and years into the future. If you make (or have shares in a company that makes) testosterone, then there’s a great incentive to create a market for it.

Re my previous comment, a Twitter thread:

twitter.com/zaneemma/status/1116146915870011392?s=21

Russian bots are known to have been involved in astroturfing the Black Lives Matter movement and also Russian bots were demonstrably implicated in the various satanic ritual abuse hoaxes targeted against Hilary Clinton.

Anyone interested in this as a theme can check out this interesting, and in many places disturbing, series of radio documentaries about this issue

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/28TzwkvPxBrDh69KgNh8VwP/meet-the-most-powerful-man-you-ve-never-heard-of

I believe that this is highly relevant to the trans issue globally

It works by using the properties of western democracy against it, so create / infiltrate liberal and human rights groups and then bankroll and otherwise endorse such groups to the point where they reach ridiculous extremes and appear to be caricatures of themselves.

Then bankroll / create groups that inevitably arise in opposition to the extreme liberal groups.

the aim is to create a divided society where minority groups oppose one another and where society experiences disruption and public unrest