Posie on Matthew Wright in a mo, talk radio

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Dantun exactly, for me I experience mens presence as pressure.
I do not want a man in a changing room, I love all women spaces.

It seems to me that it all about control. Men get in the space they control it and yes exactly men have no clue what its like to be walking alone at night as a woman. I am constantly vigilant.

I've been flashed at and followed and also attacked. Men are physically stronger by miles ( yes there are exceptions male and female) they stand a much better chance of defining themselves.

I guess the feeling you talk about is the flight or fight response. Fear. Finely tuned from years of socialization and soaking in depictions of violence against women from pretty much every film and tv show there is and the objectification of women from every single media outlet.

It IS a shame that Posie is incredibly intolerant of religion to the point of outright attacks on Islam (particularly) whilst failing to do the same for Christianity which is just as bad.
Except it isn't. You can Venn diagram all you like but there are no fundamentalist Christian countries, no Christian countries where being atheist is illegal and the difference in the average woman's experience between say a latin american poor Christian country and a muslim country is vast. That's acknowledging the huge levels of male violence in the former, and the institutionalised sexism. Trying to compare like with like - there would be no point comparing the UK with Pakistan for example.
Regardless of whether Posie says the right thing about Islam, pretending the two religions are equally damaging to women is disingenuous and damages the work women of that religion do to reconcile their faith and their rights.
Equally it is misleading to use scripture from each to show misogyny as the main difference is where the lived experience of women in/under each religion shows the pervasiveness of its reach. As mentioned above, you can be atheist in a Christian country but it could get you killed in Bangladesh. Not the same, and I won't let that comment stand without this response, even if it gets me a strike.

It’s part of Free Speech and I think she is consistent in her thinking even if I may not agree with her.

Wee correction for Mr Wright.

#FACTCHECK
Today @Matthew_Wright claimed 4 WOMEN violently attacked a gay man at Trafalgar Square.
Those 4 "WOMEN" were actually TRANS-WOMEN & they launched their vicious homophobic attack at Leicester Square, not Trafalgar.

twitter.com/Titus_Titus_/status/1047202362908200962

Is that the same incident? Wasn’t it 4 men in dresses stomping on a guy age about 19, wasn’t recorded as homophobic...thought the guy had looked at one of them wrongly & then they turned on him. Awful either way.

Is anyone able to post the full interview please, I can’t seem to access it on catch up, thanks

Does it not work for you if click on '1:30 - 2:00'?:

talkradio.co.uk/radio/listen-again/1538481600

Holy ResearchFail Batman

Oh. My. God. Lightbulb moment. I've never fully appreciated before until about 30 seconds ago just how much men don't worry about simple stuff like just walking down the street in the dark. Must be bloody lovely.

It was a lightbulb moment for me too. I told DH I didn't want to walk the dog at dusk in an area I walk in daily (popular, wooded, with paths).

He thought it a bit daft as he had assumed I was afraid of the dark. Like a kid.

No, I said. It's the isolation and not being able to see 10 yards ahead.

Eh? Why? Ghosts? Animals?

It simply didn't occur to him that I just would rather not walk in the dark, in the woods as I would be on high alert for a predator. It's just not worth it.

We'd never spoken of it, it had never come up. So he had no idea. Because it had never, ever crossed his own mind.

I said when I come back from town on my own at night, I would never get in a train carriage with just a bunch of rowdy men or an isolated man, if I have a choice. And if everyone gets off and leaves me in the carriage with a man, my radar blips. I assess.

He just looked at me blankly.

I did explain, and he did get it. But in a 'I'm pretty sure that's just you' kind of way.

The lightbulb for me wasn't just his absolute 100% ignorance of how women live, but what it must be like to not live that way. Ever. For it never even cross your mind.

Obviously, I don't walk around with my heart pounding and beads of sweat forming on my forehead. But there's an under the surface, entirely natural, barely even conscious, risk assessment going on.

Men don't get it. And, crucially, nor do transwomen.

Men don't get it. And, crucially, nor do transwomen.

That’s it, that’s the crux of it, we live that every day (even if only subconsciously) and no one who hasn’t had to go through life (and I remember feeling that fear from early teens) feeling that, knowing that we’re ‘targets’ just because we’re female will ever really get it.

And that’s why we absolutely need to be the ones who decide what (or who) is safe for us in intimate spaces and why those spaces are so important to us, they’re a brief respite in the constant vigilance and risk assessing.

Yep. Im a fat older woman but had to catc a train unexpectedly late at night a few months ago and was so scared and on edge. Not exactly sexual hot stuff but just the vulnerable feeling regardless . And drujnk men....

Husband catchea trains/buses/aerplanes all times of day and night no problem

It's our socialisation and formative experiences. Helen Steel spoke really movingly about the process at A Woman's Place in Cambridge. How male entitlement to flash at, stalk and harass girls and young women decreases the realm in which we are free to move.

Although for me the frequency of harassment has reduced enormously as the years have gone by, the memories are still there, along with the self-preservation mode that is now second nature.

Men still sometimes behave in intimidating, creepy ways though.

But they really do not understand the everyday awareness that women just walk around with. Quietly bubbling under the surface, until something starts the radar blipping louder. It's second nature.And they don't have it.The 'I don't want to be with a strange man when I'm vulnerable' that almost all women feel, isn't something they will grasp.
Oh. My. God. Lightbulb moment. I've never fully appreciated before until about 30 seconds ago just how much men don't worry about simple stuff like just walking down the street in the dark. Must be bloody lovely.

So much this. A few years ago, when my youngest daughter was 13 or 14, she had just come across a thought experiment someone had posted un tumblr: imagine all emn diappeared from the world for a week. What would you do?

She was initially treating it just like a fun game; -a bit like ‘what would you do if you could fly etc. She was talking really excitedly about going for walks in the middle of the night (this was during the sommer hols), maybe meet some cats, or hedgehogs. Then we got talking about how, actually, a lot of, maybe even most men, live like this.
I think this was a lightbulb moment for her, and suddenly the thought experiment just seemed sad.

Yup.
Parked in Manchester car park last week, right across the road from the pub.
Walked back to car at midnight, car park empty of people and me analysing my every move through a lens.
Walk tall. Stride confidently. Look unscared. Scan 360, look casual, not nervous. Assess surrounding cars for people I may not have noticed. Four more steps to car, three, remind self where internal car lock button lives for the second I'm inside it. Pounding heart.

Alert, scared, trying to project confidence.
Never letting guard down. Never nonchalant. Huge relief as soon as I'm in car and it's locked.

Someone commenting under one of the Times articles brought up a pointed way of illustrating this difference in male and female experience, as used by social researcher Jackson Katz. I can't seem to link it unfortunately, but if you look his name up on Twitter you should be able to find it. It's pretty stark.

He asks the men what actions they take on a daily basis to protect themselves from sexual assault and lists them. (huh? shrug, nothing, don't ever think about it, tumbleweed)

Then he asks the women...

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I remember the case he mentioned, I think he was referring to www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12283937 which at the time I thought was reported as teenaged girls being the killers of Ian Baynham, but reading the article now, the manslaughter charge was brought against a male and a female. But that case was from 2009 and while I don't wish to minimise Mr Baynham's death, it does rather illustrate the point which was raised by Posie, that the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by men.

I am also aware of the incident you mention, which was men in dresses attacking a man, but reported as women attacking a man.

Men don't get it. And, crucially, nor do transwomen.

It’s a bit like the scene in the first Jason Bourne film where he’s explaining to his new female companion about how he scans a room for threats, clocks all the exits etc. Mmhmm, yeah - most lone women entering a room, train carriage, bus or bar, well everywhere, do this ALL THE TIME. Hell, there are even dodgy loos near the motorway on a route we used to take regularly where I asked DH to wait outside & listen to make sure I was OK & I checked the stalls to make sure I was in there alone.

Dh doesn't understand why I don't want to take my toddlers to the woods during the day on my own. He gets most of this other stuff but it was datun saying men just simply don't have this sixth sense. I wish I didn't need it.

Completely support Posie 100%. The sterilisation tweet in context makes sense. Men can't carry children and if they're so adamant that are not women then they shouldn't be able to carry children

Jackson Katz's TED talk: www.ted.com/talks/jackson_katz_violence_against_women_it_s_a_men_s_issue/transcript?language=en

Having listened to the whole interview it is almost laughable that MW wants women to compromise, yet it doesn’t cross his mind that perhaps men should compromise & use a mixed sex changing room/toilet/ hospital ward, if they wish, whilst keeping womens only spaces for women. He is not listening to our side of the argument that we just don’t want Male bodied people in our changing rooms. Think that’s enough to peak trans some listeners. Great interview Posie.