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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Posie on Matthew Wright in a mo, talk radio

96 replies

BeyondAdultHumanFemale · 02/10/2018 13:33

Twitter... ‪*@talkRADIO* @Matthew_Wright #talkradio

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Hecalledmecarrots · 02/10/2018 13:59

Crikey, Matthew Wright has changed his tune rather. He was really hard on her, I thought,

At least he let her talk and have her decent time to make her points.

Brava Posy - good job!

whatifido · 02/10/2018 14:00

To be fair i very much doubt if he had received much hate from any GC women in the last 10 minutes, I'm assuming the hate since the broadcast towards himself is very much one sided.
The way he was choosing his words very carefully makes me think he was trying to minimise criticism of him being GC, but I get the feeling he's on board.... neighbour etc

TransposersArePosers · 02/10/2018 14:04

But Matthew Wright has always played devil's advocate and while I wish he had been more GC, he did let Posie speak, rather than interrupt when she was trying to answer his questions.

heresyandwitchcraft · 02/10/2018 14:05

I think Matthew had a chat to this neighbour, looked at the hate on his timeline, maybe got a talking-to, and then decided to dial it back. But massive thanks to him for putting Posie on again. Her simple facts, plain English, stripping away all the flowery language that distracts from the actual questions "Can men say they are women? (Yes.) Does this make them literal women? (No.) Should women get to keep their basic rights of free speech, assembly, safety and privacy? (Yes.) Should men get to decide who women let in to their areas? (NO!)"

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 02/10/2018 14:05

Matthew sounded scared.
I wonder if it was just the attacks he will have got on Twitter or if there has been other stuff, eg to his bosses. Probably has tbh.
I would be very interested to see the supposed hatred from the gender critical side. Don't believe he has had any.

Posy did excellently. Loved how she had Haddock's doxxing tweets to hand and was quoting them directly.

wingwarbler · 02/10/2018 14:07

MW called both sides intransigent and noisy, and disappointingly but predictably said that both sides should compromise, also does not accept problems with male violence etc, even when Posie pointed out the stats. He kept raising the exception-to-the-rule-violent-woman.

He is wilfully blind, and has no concept of what he is asking women to give up in order to 'make peace'. He is so weak and weaselly unless it is one of his pet subjects then he's all mouth. As someone said he isn't really interested. Just titillating for him until it all gets too serious.

Posie did manage to say third space for the compromise and keep on saying no men cannot be women :)

Not enough time given to cover much except the basics and the doxxing.

Melamin · 02/10/2018 14:07

The Ofcom guidance must be interesting?

BeyondAdultHumanFemale · 02/10/2018 14:08

I certainly can't see any hate towards him on twitter from the GC side (I can't see anything at all from the other side - blooming block bots...), maybe it's invisible?!

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Melamin · 02/10/2018 14:08

How can you compromise on self-id? It is an all or nothing thing, otherwise it is not self-id.

73kittycat73 · 02/10/2018 14:10

Hi, I hope you don't mind me asking? What is 'doxxing' (Am I right in thinking it's going through an individuals' internet history and gaining information about them that way?) Also what is 'GC.' (Gender critical? I don't know what that means either. Blush )

TIA.

TransposersArePosers · 02/10/2018 14:11

Actually, thinking about this one step back, he played it well - too GC and it would be dismissed as echo chamber. Pro trans, ditto. Bit of both but letting Posie get her points across, can be accused of neither, while the subject was still being talked about in a way that would not have been done a month ago.

wingwarbler · 02/10/2018 14:12

He was suggesting some sort of vauge individual solution for each scenario eg changing rooms. Just ill-informed and appeasing nonsense really.

I am glad that he will give Posie time on air, but he is no real ally.

arranfan · 02/10/2018 14:12

The Ofcom guidance must be interesting?

I've had a quick look round but can't find it. Can anyone who heard it suggest some more key terms so that I can try another search, please?

KatVonGulag · 02/10/2018 14:13

The article and clip that's up now is very good.

Yes, live your life as you want bit when that starts impinging on other people's rights that's wrong. I have a right not to see penises (unless I want to..ahem). That's clearly my right to same sex privacy. Changing areas etc.

I don't care if you think it's female. Understand you are not more important than us

BaronessEllaSaturday · 02/10/2018 14:13

Although he didn't come across as on her side I did think it was very good that he gave her a chance to explain against some of the whataboutery that is out there. He mentioned violent females and she could counter it, the same over compromising. I thought he gave her space to get her view across without making it appear one sided.

CantankerousCamel · 02/10/2018 14:13

It IS a shame that Posie is incredibly intolerant of religion to the point of outright attacks on Islam (particularly) whilst failing to do the same for Christianity which is just as bad.

I totally agree she should be allowed to have her perspectives on various issues but I don’t agree she is necessarily the best or most rational voice. Lots of previous statements by her are and will be taken as vitriol against various religious demographics

BiologyMatters · 02/10/2018 14:13

I'm not on Twitter so I'm not blocked by anyone and I cannot see any hate on his timeline. Just The Usual Suspects bitching at him about having posie on at all.

MissAriadneOliver · 02/10/2018 14:14

I didn't realise there were two threads!

I just said in the other one that it seemed like she was about to make the point that it's MEN who need to be more tolerant of more "feminine" men - but he interrupted her so will never know if that's what she was going to say.

What on earth was that nonsense he was talking about chromosomes?? Surely if he discusses this with his trans neighbour he must know this is rubbish?

And yes, in what was are trans-activists being asked to compromise?

MnerXX · 02/10/2018 14:16

Posie did great. I am sure I would have floundered. It was an odd interview I thought.

The using the exceptions to prove the rule in the case of the one violent woman he could name did my head in and how on earth can you compromise on self-ID? They are either in our spaces (prisons, changing rooms, refuges etc) or they are not.

MnerXX · 02/10/2018 14:22

This was just on trending : )

gendercritter · 02/10/2018 14:22

Kittycat, yes GC is gender critical. There is an ideology at oresent which says that people have a gender identity which is innate and objective. But when you look at it, it can only be based on stereotypes (so if you like pink and dresses, your gender identity is female)

GC feminists reject the notion that stereotyoes matter at all and believe gender is nothing more than a social construction. It literally doesn't exist beyond that. Your biological sex is what matters and that is fixed and indeed what women are oppressed because of, with gender stereotypes mostly only giving us another good kicking

Melamin · 02/10/2018 14:22

www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0023/91625/OfcomQRG-AOC.pdf

Is this any better?

gendercritter · 02/10/2018 14:25

And doxxing, as far as I understand it, is putting private information about an individual online either to intimidate them or in the hope someone will either exploit that information or attack them physically. You can't doxx someone with information that is already in the public domain. For most situations it will be their address or passwords or private emails they've written but it could be things like photos of their dc.

Someone is welcome to correct me if they know better than me.

AbsintheFriends · 02/10/2018 14:25

Matthew Wright's show is followed by Eamonn Holmes's, so maybe he didn't want to get on the wrong side of the big boys in the playground?