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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pronouns...from a trans woman.

52 replies

Molokonono · 30/09/2018 22:12

twitter.com/Kinesis/status/1046482847245033472?s=19

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 01/10/2018 17:45

Kinesis is very true and level headed! A lot of people like her are being drowned out.
Well done for standing up to what you think is right!

PurpleCrowbar · 01/10/2018 17:46

That's brilliant!

frenchfancy · 01/10/2018 17:53

This: This whole “trans women are adult human females” thing is an insult. And it’s not just an insult to women, who have had their plate rather full with being female from day one, but also to trans people, who have so much more potential than living in this idiotic fantasy notion.

So well put.

Reading this thread makes me realise I am NOT anti trans. If someone wants to change how they look and how they dress to make themselves feel better - great. I'm all for diversity. But that doesn't mean I am for self ID.

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 01/10/2018 17:53

The irony is Kinesis is doing more for woman rights by speaking up like this than the TRA's ever will by stealing them.

Ooforfoxsakeridesagain · 01/10/2018 19:33

I have thoroughly enjoyed her threads and the sense spoken. Like a breath of fresh air.

WokerThanWoke · 01/10/2018 19:39

Yes that was refreshing to read, thank you.

I think someone has shared this thread with Kinesis Smile

ChrysanthemumsAreMums · 01/10/2018 19:40

Hi Kinesis! Great thread

AnyFucker · 01/10/2018 19:47

Common sense. Sensitivity. Empathy. Maturity. Inclusivity not division. Understanding you have your own identity and don't need to commandeer anyone else's.

I salute you kinesis If I were trans I would aspire to be like you.

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 01/10/2018 19:54

Hopefully you will inspire other people who feel fear and force isn't the path to acceptance to come forward.

HuckfromScandal · 01/10/2018 19:56

Best thing I have read on Twitter in a week,
And makes me feel we are going to find a reasonable way to make this work, where everyone feels valued and listened to and no one feels erased by the other side.

Butterymuffin · 01/10/2018 20:04

Yes! Thank you @kinesis for being so bloody sensible. Power to your elbow in living the life you want and being proud of who you are.

PeakTrans · 01/10/2018 20:35

I don't use Twitter and each link I've clicked on from MN recently highlights rage & negativity on Twitter. So great to click on a link from Twitter that is about reducing conflict! Common sense prevails

DuckingGoodPJs · 01/10/2018 22:40

Excellent twitter thread. Refreshing.

Best part:
This whole “trans women are adult human females” thing is an insult. And it’s not just an insult to women, who have had their plate rather full with being female from day one, but also to trans people, who have so much more potential than living in this idiotic fantasy notion.

FlowerpotFairyHouse · 03/10/2018 08:45

Why aren't the government etc being advised by people like this?

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 08:47

Why aren't the government etc being advised by people like this?

Becuase they have no interest in pleasing genuine people, they want to take rights away from women.

gendercritter · 03/10/2018 08:55

If this was the dominant message coming from the trans community there would be no division, no anger or fear or feeling threatened on our parts. I would work alongside that community in making life easier for them. I would have genuine concern about the issues they faced (as I did for many years before I learnt about TRA aggression)

Really well written Kinesis. Thank you for speaking such sense.

FlowerpotFairyHouse · 03/10/2018 08:57

Becuase they have no interest in pleasing genuine people, they want to take rights away from women.

Oh I know the reason.

But I would like to hear someone who is making these decisions justify it.

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 08:59

This is the thing, Transexuals don't want this, Most men don't want this, and women don't want this.

How have the TRA's got so much power?

RepealtheGRA · 03/10/2018 09:03

How have the TRA's got so much power?

I can only assume they have photos of some high profile men wearing nappies. At this stage I’m not even joking.

RiverTam · 03/10/2018 09:07

I wonder what loos and changing rooms Kinesis uses. I hope it's the men's. If not - well, this is a load of hot air.

Butterymuffin · 03/10/2018 09:20

I don't care which toilet Kinesis uses and I'd be fine with them using the women's because they seem decent and not entitled. It's the people who are determined to assert their own rights at the expense of women that I'm concerned about.

As it happens, Kinesis has just been tweeting about using the men's but that it's becoming awkward, but it's still what they do.

KittyKlawsReturns · 03/10/2018 09:23

It's a reminder the women aren't the only people affected. I could (and would) learn interesting things from someone like this and I feel I'd enjoy talking to them. But when people are insisting they are women/female I cam't get past that because we will never agree. I don't understand why trans can't be celebrated for what it is and the fresh perspective it brings rather than forcing women to move over.

KlutzyDraconequus · 03/10/2018 09:26

She was talking about loosand I can't help but think that it's not trans people, men or women that are the problem, the problem is the scum that would mock, assault or vn rape other people. They're the ones that need segregating, not normal decent people living their life no matter what they present as.

Willow2017 · 03/10/2018 09:43

Excellent reasoned post.
If only more trans people would do the ssme. As we know most trans people just want to get on with thier lives ss trans people not as rabid anti women terrorists.

Its the vile women hating egotistical bullies who are making it difficult for everyone and the kow-towing burocrats and politicians and pc brigade who are supporting them who are making the most noise.

We need people like Kinesis to stsnd up and say enough is enough. We dont want to wipe women off the face of the earth, we like women and men and we like being trans women/men. Why should we want to be something else at the expense of others.
More power to her elbow keyboard

RiverTam · 03/10/2018 09:45

I care, so I'm glad he's uses the gents. Women's spaces aren't for 'women and decent non-entitled men'.