Can we just talk about BBC Woman's Hour

[Charliethefeminist]

I know it's been mentioned in passing but I think the dismal refusal of this programme - run and presented by women who I am sure think they are feminists - to discuss the GRA, to allow a voice to women's fears, to investigate Girl Guiding, to talk about Linda Bellos and the persecution of feminists, to look at Woman's Place, Let A Woman Speak and Standing for Women, to address the concerns raised by prison policy, to explore the problem for rape crisis centres and refuges, and to dissect the silencing of gender critical women, is one of the most egregious failures of journalism l have ever seen.

You know what, Jenni Murray is 68 and has a brilliant freelance career ahead of her as a feminist writer and leader if she wants that rather than a relaxed retirement. I would love to see her make a stand on WH and be sacked (sorry, Jenni, but needs must!) and then spill all the beans and become someone that we could rally behind.

I never know what to think about Jane Garvey. One minute I'm convinced she's a GC feminist and the next thing I know she's taking the piss out of feminism and being laddish. I've read a few articles that have indicated that Murray and Garvey aren't particularly friendly which is slightly worrying.

The complete absence of coverage on WH is the starkest example of BBC bias imho - more damning than the skewed coverage they've given the issue elsewhere. Woman's Hour's sole remit is to cover women's interest issues and current affairs from a female perspective

I agree.

I believe this is an editorial decision.

I think writing to request discussions about specific news items etc will make it harder for this editorial bias to be maintained.

I've just emailed them. Feeling very pissed off today. I suggested they grow a pair....not sure whether that was a mistake now

You do know women can't grow balls don't you LittlePearl?

I do. I was struggling to find the appropriate turn of phrase and was in a bad mood.

I believe this is an editorial decision.

I concur.

Possible topics for Woman's Hour from the last 24 hrs:

'Posie Parker' and her family are put at risk by targetted online 'doxxing'.
She was in the media last week for stating 'woman is an adult human female'
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3381154-Posie-Parker-Doxed-Over-Night

Definition of mother and the possible implications for this case:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3381482-Judge-is-going-to-rule-on-the-landmark-case-determining-if-a-child-can-be-born-without-a-mother

Media reporting of a male paedophile with a history of serious offences against children. Should he described as a woman, given female pronouns, what impact does this have on the victim and others similarly affected, crime data, public perception, women? Will he apply for transfer to the female estate? Who is standing up for vulnerable female prisoners (worth speaking with Anne Ruzylo about this)?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3381513-Woman-41-pretended-to-be-a-boy-to-groom-a-girl

Roqan, id love to see you edit WH.

What about the rapid increase in girls saying they are boys. Surely that ticks every WH box. Am going to email now.

Wtf is a GC woman?

GC = gender critical.

Why don't we try an open letter?

Sorry haven't RTFT, so this may have been suggested

what does that even mean? a gender critical woman? Is that a 'real' woman??? Are we not allowed to say that????

Ooh, an open letter sounds interesting.

How would that work? (sorry if I'm being a bit dim here)

WH has become an irrelevance because of its failure to address these topics

I was out this morning in the car and heard Jane Garvey going on and on about how outrageous and unforgiveable it was that 48% of people polled in the USA thought that Kavanaugh ought to get the job even if he had attacked Christine Blasey Ford. How can Garvey get so mad over that and say not a word about, not one ruddy word, about the GRA and the current storm we're enduring here, in the UK. It feels like there's a scandal just waiting to break.

Could not agree more!

Then at last my mum would end her 'well there can't be a problem because the Guardian says there's not a problem' stance which is quite frankly driving me up the wall.

This is someone who had excellent feminist credentials and worked in safeguarding, but as long as the Guardian says it's just women exaggerating...

Kavanaugh is piss easy feminism

The BBC is generally appalling, though - they cover my work so I regularly have to look at their stuff, and it's always wrong, and usually biased. (In my particular area there's also a particularly right-on, exceptionally irritating producer who doesn't listen.) This is just another example of how bad they've become. I'm sure they were reliable fifteen years ago, but it's all just click-bait now.

Wittow - definition of Gender Critical here real-feminist-history.com/2016/12/25/gender-critical-feminism/

The open letter is a great idea, but I fear it's too late now. They'd cheerfully fob us off with the series they're planning 'this autumn' on sex and gender, and the fact that this is pitifully little and far too late (if not after the end of the GRA consultation period, bloody close to it) would be lost.

They've seriously failed in their responsibility to their audience. As R0wan says, there are literally scores of things they could and should have reported on - each week brings a new batch - and all these stories accumulate to build up the bigger picture. Trying to address it all in one go is just going to leave those who aren't aware confused and alienated.

It's just rubbish. I think that's what made me make the thread - the fact that it's too late now.

Don’t the bbc have a high proportion of trans employees? They have definitely taken a view not to go there on WH. I’m a regular listener to the podcast and some of the drivel they waste time on makes me mad when the Girl Guiding/British Gymnastics/woman = adult human female billboard fiasco issues are so clearly their area. I would be up for an open letter too

Honestly I think what makes the difference is the fear of transactivists complaining endlessly and looking for an excuse to go to Ofcom. They say they aren't afraid but they are.

But omg there is one who is all over us 'bigots'. But not that important, apparently, going on the twitter bio, which is prob exaggerated anyway.

Charlie
That link you posted on page 2 of this thread.
www.allabouttrans.org.uk
I've been side tracked reading about the brave and stunning in that link.
It's so hard to believe it has got this far.
The media people really have been taken in on this scam haven't they?
I can't bear to watch young people talk about transitioning as if it is a normal thing to do.

This is such a scam of monstrous proportions and far too many media people are in on it.

IMO the BBC is long past its sell by date anyway.

I KNOW right

It is