Can we just talk about BBC Woman's Hour

[Charliethefeminist]

I know it's been mentioned in passing but I think the dismal refusal of this programme - run and presented by women who I am sure think they are feminists - to discuss the GRA, to allow a voice to women's fears, to investigate Girl Guiding, to talk about Linda Bellos and the persecution of feminists, to look at Woman's Place, Let A Woman Speak and Standing for Women, to address the concerns raised by prison policy, to explore the problem for rape crisis centres and refuges, and to dissect the silencing of gender critical women, is one of the most egregious failures of journalism l have ever seen.

Charlie
Yes, it really does feel like it's too late.

They haven't changed the law. While they haven't changed the law, we can roll back policy and language, and we are.

TRA are holding their breath till the 19th. We need to push like hell to get the GRA out there and known about in these next two weeks.

The media has been taken in by the scam.
The public have not been properly informed for quite a few years.
Stephen Whittle, I hope your pleased with yourself. You openly admitted you knew the public were being misled by using the word gender not sex
YOU KNEW.

It will take a long time but if GRA changes are kicked down the road, in that time, the impact of transing so many kids will become apparent, the impact of the loss of safe spaces, everyone will KNOW and it won't be too late because they haven't changed the law yet. So they can change back prison policy, and enforce the EA exemptions, they can drop allsorts from schools, they will be able to about turn on this stuff because it won't be illegal.

So transactivists be throwing everything to the consultation while most regular folk don't know a thing about it.

Thanks for the positivity.
In the mean time, I'll be dropping leaflets everywhere.
We have numbers on our side.

I too have been baffled by the lack of coverage on WH.
At first I assumed it had already been covered in depth and they didn't want to overdo it. However it sounds like they have never covered trans activism, self ID and changes to the GRA in any meaningful way, which is simply bonkers.
I'm glad

Grr posted early by accident!
Seems to me that the most important places to try to get through to people are BBC coverage, NHS info and our political representatives, as well as grassroots campaigning to raise awareness.

I am still hopeful that our voices will be heard if sufficient numbers of us are loud enough! I am fairly new to the issue but, following the initial confusion and anger, I am feeling clearer and more confident about speaking out and where to focus my efforts.

A demo outside Broadcasting House asking why the BBC is avoiding debating the GRA.
Or unrolling a banner saying No to Self id outside the windows of their Sunday morning phone in which claims to discuss the moral issues of the day.

One more possible item to consider in today's round-up.

Women's purchasing power. Do supermarket chains understand their customer base?
Evening Standard: "Hundreds of mothers have joined calls for a boycott of middle class shopping favourite Ocado after they appeared to support the removal of a billboard which was accused of being transphobic.

Last week, a billboard bearing the Google definition of the word ‘woman’ was hit with accusations of being transphobic.

The board read: “Woman, noun, adult human female”, and was slammed by activists who claimed it was offensive.
This led to scores of mothers to criticise the company’s decision on popular parenting website, Mumsnet.

One user wrote: “On discovering today that Ocado are continuing to use Primesight after they removed Standing For Women's billboard, thereby showing they have no respect for women or our rights, I have emailed them to tell them that I will no longer shop with them as they support misogyny.

“I'm just wondering how many others have done the same.”

Another wrote: “Ocado have just managed to alienate it's target market.

“Perhaps they don't think that women do the bulk of the grocery shopping.

“I will not be using them again.

“Any company who cannot face their customers being "women" does not deserve my money. I wonder who their target demographic is? Oh, that'll be women.”(continues)

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/mums-call-for-a-boycott-of-ocado-in-backlash-over-transphobic-billboard-ad-a3950011.html

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3376466-ocado-boycott-after-support-of-primesight-action

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3379306-ocado-boycott-after-support-of-primesight-action-part-2

Pole
We really should have sufficient numbers to fight this and men's voices are important here as well.
The changes have been carefully stage managed from the top down.
Getting in on committees and rewriting policies etc. All busy in the background.
My local sports club altered its policy back in 2014.
Now I know why.

Come on, WH, surely you can do a BBC-balanced item about the GRA consultation, in good time, so that women (you know, the people WH is for) get a clear sense of what is at stake the issues are, and know how they can make their voices heard.

COME ON!!!

I have never received a response from WH on this either. Whoever the editor is should be sacked. They don't have to take a GC position, but should at least be covering the debate.

Despite being only 68, JM remembers a time before maternity leave, legal abortion and laws against marital rape. If ever there was a time we needed our older women to speak out and remind the younger generation that sex matters, it is now. I too hope that she can find a platform and louder voice. Preferably on WH. If not, then elsewhere.

Today WH started a series of reports about suffrage around the world.

I read somewhere recently of a women's group in NZ who had not been able to print /or display pictures of NZ Suffragettes because it was considered exclusionary/transphobic?

I will be very disappointed if they start holding GC phone ins and debates after the consultation has closed.

I’ve always been a fan of Woman’s Hour but I’m fast losing patience with this timidity. If they’re not going to cover this then what exactly is the point of them?

And if they think they can wait until the consultation closes before saying anything then they can do one.

I agree, Floisme.

They have one job. Just one job. To cover issues important to women.

This is the most important issue in the 70 year history of the programme.

And they are ignoring it.

A demo outside Broadcasting House asking why the BBC is avoiding debating the GRA. Or unrolling a banner saying No to Self id outside the windows of their Sunday morning phone in which claims to discuss the moral issues of the day.

I would be up for quiet protests like this (subject to scheduling conflicts).

And if they think they can wait until the consultation closes before saying anything then they can do one.

In the last couple of months, whilst Govt. consultation open,
WH had Aimee Challenor on with a parent likely from Mermaids.
Segment recently about being agender (?)
Play 'Just A Girl'

Also, doesn't the drama based on Mermaids with Anna Friel start soon on BBC?

I think it's on ITV R0wan.

Fair Play for Women on just how long it's taking the EHRC to correct an error that affects the understanding of matters relating to the consultation. Reported on July 11, still not amended.

The EHRC is the statutory body responsible for upholding the Equality Act. Even they don't understand the single-sex exemptions for female spaces. We alerted them to this misleading error on the 11th July.

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1046799750165647362

WokerThanWoke Thank you for correcting that. Apologies!

They are all waiting till Oct 19. The BBC silencing is real. However more coverage then will mean more people writing to MPs. This is a kick ass campaign. We will never give up.

No thank you R0wan, for your brilliant referencing!