'women don't have penises'

[Charliethefeminist]

@mnhq I want to discuss this - is the thread title allowed?

This statement is leading people to think that feminists require males to have penis surgery and then they become women. We should make it clear that TW who have had penis surgery almost always still have a penis, but it has been hollowed out and inverted into the cavity which they describe as a vagina or neo vagina. Post surgery, almost all TW still have penises, and are still not women.

I really hope this post doesn't get me banned so I have reported it myself and mnhq please advise rather than suspend me, thanks so much.

Charliethefeminist, you've hit the nail on the head. Your description of penis surgery made me wince, I wonder about the surgeons who do it and who invented it. It's hardly life saving.

I agree with pp though as a point of info Karen White has not had may operation - in the recent assaults victims in prison mention his penis. (I cannot type "her penis" about a rapist)

Apologies all
I actually meant a different transgender rapist called Karen.
To clarify:
Karen White, convicted rapist, transferred to women's prison, committed assaults there, still has penis (referenced in assaults)
Karen JONES, convicted rapist AND murderer, transferred to women's prison, GOT A GRC and subsequently surgery.

I get my transgender rapists called Karen mixed up. Silly me.

Question: which rapist called Karen is preferable in women's spaces? The one without the GRC, or the one with GRC and a conviction for manslaughter who has no penis?

The second Karen is out of jail now, living in West Yorkshire, and free to use the sex segregated spaces of his choice, which are female, naturally, since he is an 'old school transexual' of the type I keep hearing we women and our little girls are fine with in women's spaces.

Barracker There's some of that 'I'm happy to have the post-op TWs in the showers with me" thing going on over on AIBU. It's very tiring, isn't it?

Yes.
I have no objection to women exiting women's spaces into spaces shared with all the lovely post op transwomen they like.
I just wish they would learn not to give consent on my behalf to them disrespecting my boundaries and those of other women.

Even if you don't mind post-SRS trans males in women's spaces - HOW WILL YOU KNOW BEFORE THEY COME IN AND GET THEIR KIT OFF?

Hardly anyone "passes".

Yeah, I’ve changed my mind. You’re right. I’m sort of done. You know when you offer tea and then everyone wants one so you’re just like, ‘Fine. No tea for anyone.’ I’m there.

I've only read page 1 and I admit that freely. I do struggle to write, or type, in the accepted way so if I'm rude I apologise. I don't want to have to accept TW with penises, or TW with neo vaginas in my intimate spaces. I don't hate TW. They are men though, and my own personal life experiences make me avoid men, especially in intimate situations, and I'm not wrong to say that. I'm really really struggling with this ideology at the moment. People want me to lie and I can't do that.

This is not about whether post op trans'women' are a threat, or if I want them in my toilets. It is about the fact that they are men.

It is not unkind or bigoted to point out that they are men. It is true. The same applies as with self-ID - don't tell me it's bigoted to tell the truth. They are men despite the operation. Start the conversation from the truth. Acknowledge the truth first, then have the conversation.

Yes, what Charlie the feminist said. That's what I try to say. I don't understand why NO doesn't mean no anymore. It frightens me.