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Selling your body is just another normal student job now apparently

112 replies

Blackberrypiesforbreakfast · 25/09/2018 23:09

A sex workers cooperative actually have a stand at a university freshers fair. I am really scared by how quickly this is being normalised.

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LittleMissedTheSunshine · 27/09/2018 17:52

I know. Some women may feel selling sex is preferable to debt.

bd67th · 27/09/2018 17:54

picture of a woman with semen dripping out of her mouth and sonething about spit or swallow

It was toothpaste but the double entendre was clear.

bd67th · 27/09/2018 18:25

WTF? Confused Angry punters who kidnap and rape anyone, whether a prostitute or not, should be prosecuted.

Funny how it's only so-called "SWERFs" who actually give a shit about this. It's disgraceful that the police deem prostituted women unworthy of protection. This is another institutional safeguarding failure, did the police learn nothing from the Ipswich cases?

bd67th · 27/09/2018 22:15

Female purity is a notion invented by men.

"[The monogamous family] is based on the supremacy of the man, the express purpose being to produce children of undisputed paternity; such paternity is demanded because these children are later to come into their father’s property as his natural heirs." Engels, The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State.

In reality most 'sex work' involves creating images which will be on the internet forever.

Having sex in a venue controlled by a man can create those images too. Remember that thread someone made about the tiny cameras? If it's his flat or bedroom, or even if he got to a hotel room first, he could have rigged it with cameras.

I'm glad I don't have kids, I couldn't bear them growing up into a world like this.

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 28/09/2018 08:44

Omfg.
I am applying to Brighton uni for next September. I’ll be emailing them about this, what a fucking disgrace

Charlieiscool · 28/09/2018 09:46

Has anyone confirmed that this stand was genuinely there? It’s not just some Twitter joke it is? It isn’t in the press today and I would think it would have been picked up.

traceyracer · 28/09/2018 13:27

"soon the job centre will be advertising sex work as a valid job and women who refuse to apply will be sanctioned."

This has never happened in any country.

traceyracer · 28/09/2018 14:33

that hoax is about 13 years old now and I was expecting someone to bring that up

feministire.com/2015/01/30/happy-tenth-birthday-to-the-telegraphs-brothel-job-hoax/

don't believe everything you read in online media articles.

YoloSwaggins · 28/09/2018 15:13

It really is being normalised and glamourised in the media now. Look at how much airtime Megan Barton-Hanson gets with her "I used to lapdance/camgirl for money and it was great" story.

Turph · 28/09/2018 15:17

This has never happened in any country.
What about a receptionist job in a mega brothel? I guess that couldn't be turned down, like an office manager's job for an abattoir, or a cleaner's job for a political party you disagreed with.

Bowlofbabelfish · 28/09/2018 15:43

The article refers to a job in a brothel. She was offered I think a bar job, in a brothel.

I’ve worked plenty of bar jobs when I was a student. In pubs. Not brothels.

Would you like to work in a brothel? Even as a cleaner, receptionist or bar worker? I wouldn’t, and this woman being threatened with her benefits removed for not wanting to work in the second trade is pretty grim.

Or do you think brothels are just fine and dandy and there’s no issue with forcing women to work in them?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/09/2018 15:57

When I was at university quite a few of my fellow students did phone-sex as a job and so did my students when I started teaching. Since then I have been quite surprised at how many turned tricks - mainly women, but men too. It is very sad.

noeffingidea · 28/09/2018 16:13

some women may feel selling sex is preferable to debt
Student loan debt isn't really the same as ordinary debt though, is it? I've got to be honest, I was worried about this when my son told me he wanted to go to uni, but according to him it's seen as a graduate tax rather than a debt.

theworldistoosmall · 28/09/2018 16:34

There are far more uni students who are sex workers than you realise. Same with uni students paying for sex.
It's just they don't go around shouting about it. Why work for minimum wage when you can earn £80+ an hour. That's the attraction at the end of the day.
Prostitution isn't like it used to be. Hardly anyone walks the streets anymore, although of course there is still a market for the street hookers.
They advertise everywhere - SM, Adultwork, and other dedicated sites. Plus they also have their own site. And of course, you have the agencies.
Forums dedicated to discussing sex work from the punter and the prostitutes' point of view, kind of like MN.
Outreach programs, safe spaces for testing, reporting systems are all in place and much more.
A lot of hookers aren't using brothels either. Your next door neighbour could be a hooker. We don't all go around in mini skirts, high heels and bright red lipstick!!

traceyracer · 28/09/2018 16:54

"and this woman being threatened with her benefits removed "

The job at the brothel behind the bar was actually not mandatory, it was optional. She was at no risk of losing benefits for turning it down.

also this:
“a job centre cannot force or threaten anyone into sex work, because sex work, although recognised as an activity, is a special one because it requires or demands physical intimacy.”

So a woman was offered a job in a brothel behind a bar serving drinks which was optional with no penalty for turning it down. This is then twisted into "if prostitution is illegal women will have to become prostitutes or lose benefits!", and because an online article says it happens lots of people believe it.

Talk about blowing things out of proportion.

Bowlofbabelfish · 28/09/2018 17:40

Do you think it’s ok for a job centre to offer jobs at brothels? Whether being fucked for money or pouring the beer for the punters, it’s not a job that any civilised society should be sanctioning by the state.

I personally find that disturbing. Shocking even. The state jobcentre offers brothel jobs. You don’t find that even a tiny bit disconcerting?

Can I ask what your opinion on the sex industry is?

Bowlofbabelfish · 28/09/2018 17:41

So a woman was offered a job in a brothel behind a bar serving drinks which was optional with no penalty for turning it down.

Offered by the state. State sanctioned brothel work. Not ok.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/09/2018 19:24

Any lurking TRAs will of course be pro-prostitution. It comes with the territory.

traceyracer · 28/09/2018 21:31

"Whether being fucked for money or pouring the beer for the punters"

No jobcentre has ever offered a job as a prostitute and no jobcentre ever will, and the job offered to serve drinks was completely optional with no penalty for saying no. Will it hurt just to say no and let the jobcentre move onto another offer?

There are a lot of jobs I'd rather not do, off the top of my head if a jobcentre asked if I wanted to go down a manhole and unclog underground sewage drains I wouldn't particularly be too happy.

Bowlofbabelfish · 28/09/2018 22:05

Unclogging fatbergs is unpleasant but it’s a socially not making money to support the wholesale sexual exploitation of women. The sex industry supports and drives human trafficking and rape and misery on an industrial scale.

Making money for the pimps, criminals and gangs who run the sex industry is not OK - and to be offered a job that contributes to the wholesale sexual exploitation of women at a jobcentre is deeply, deeply wrong.

Legalised brothels in Germany have driven huge trafficking increases - the number of women in the industry voluntarily who are happy to be there is a very small minority.

It really isn’t OK for the state jobcentre to be offering jobs in brothels. Confused

AngryAttackKittens · 28/09/2018 22:08

It's really not. Again, stop normalizing the idea that women are consumer products and that buying access to our vaginas is like buying a pack of toilet paper or a washing machine.

LassWiADelicateAir · 28/09/2018 22:17

There are a lot of jobs I'd rather not do, off the top of my head if a jobcentre asked if I wanted to go down a manhole and unclog underground sewage drains I wouldn't particularly be too happy

I am so fed up of this argument- the "it's better than flipping burgers" excuse.

It is deeply insulting to burger flippers, sewage workers, refuse collectors , cleaners or whoever.

None of these workers are causing societal damage and in many cases are doing dangerous , unpleasant and essential work from which we all benefit.

LassWiADelicateAir · 28/09/2018 22:18

None of these workers is....