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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Selling your body is just another normal student job now apparently

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Blackberrypiesforbreakfast · 25/09/2018 23:09

A sex workers cooperative actually have a stand at a university freshers fair. I am really scared by how quickly this is being normalised.

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AngryAttackKittens · 26/09/2018 08:20

I've met a number of women who've worked in the sex industry, and every single one of them has been mentally and emotionally scarred by the experience. There's often a lot of bravado masking that, and a reluctance to admit how much it wears people down while they're still stuck in it, but it's the most soul destroying "job" in the world.

Stop normalizing this shit. It's bad for women and it's bad for society.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/09/2018 08:27

I had one friend at university who had skipped a year so was 17 when she started. A literal child

Me too, its not that uncommon.

BettyDuMonde · 26/09/2018 08:34

University/education is supposed to be a route out of this grim shitness, not a route into it.

I went to uni at 25 and had already been a ‘sex worker’ albeit in a different capacity (phone sex lines, Mayfair hostessing). There is no way this should be normalised.

Any students already involved in sex work can access support through the usual channels (there are some brilliant, dedicated support workers out there). Having a stand at Freshers Fair is super fucked up.

LassWiADelicateAir · 26/09/2018 08:48

The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars

From The Telegraph article. Really? They can't see a difference?

MoltenLasagne · 26/09/2018 11:01

I knew a girl at uni who got into the Sugar Daddy thing in first year, after reading an article on it and thinking it was a great idea. She had a breakdown and ended up having to retake first year and then dropped out due to significant mental health issues including being sectioned. This is the reality of prostitution, not the stories they sell.

CiaoBrucester · 26/09/2018 12:02

I'm really shocked. I just don't understand why sex work being normalised and offered up as a financial solution to students? It's possible to have an outreach service for anyone who might find themselves in this position without making it seem like a lifestyle choice.
It's 10 years since I started at uni, I was a 4.5 hour drive from my friends and family and was the only person in my student house working and paying my own way (everyone else had parents subbing them). I quite often found myself struggling between the social side and...well eating! I often think back to those 3 years - I was so vulnerable and so isolated. I worry how I would have been affected by this narrative of normality!

After leaving Uni I was working an unpaid internship for a media company in London. After two months I was overdrawn and miserable and back home. I went to the jobcentre and one of the 'media' jobs my adviser pulled up was a cam-girl opportunity. My adviser was apologetic and red faced at the time but it doesn't feel like we are too far from a future where young women will be expected to just get on with it because sex work is just work!
p.s. I am so, so sick of reading those drip feed Sugar Daddy articles!

susurration · 26/09/2018 12:09

When I was uni 12 years ago there were several girls who worked in lap dancing and strip clubs. This was just a small town as well. They might not have had stands at the freshers fair but it's been happening a long time.

Racecardriver · 26/09/2018 12:09

Youth and the environments are becoming increasingly sexualise but in a really alarming rape kind of way. There was a post on here a few weeks ago about a university flyer with a picture of a woman with semen dripping out of her mouth and sonething about spit or swallow. At my university the number of people (men and women) expecting right sex, chocking, anal sex etc from one night stands/early on in relationships is a bit alarming (especially when you consider that about of the third of the cohort are waiting for sex until marriage). Then you have the whole white bitches who won't fuck brown guts are racist/I bought you a drink you have to sleep with me/not sleeping with me because I have the wrong genetailia is transphobia thing going on. I'm 23 and luckily seemed to just miss out on this shit but the generation bellow me a seriously sexually screwed up.

titchy · 26/09/2018 12:19

Only 5 likes I'm glad to say.

noeffingidea · 26/09/2018 12:50

Racecardriver I mentioned this on another thread. Young girls and women are being mass groomed to have no sexual boundaries of their own and to see prostitution/ stripping etc as acceptable work, a way to top your loans up or to pay off credit card debt.
The fact is that male and female students are entitled to the same level of finance, pay the same fees and rents, and same living expenses, but there is no concept that boys might have to do 'sex work' (or any other dodgy activities) in order to pay their way through uni.
This absolutely stinks and any university that doesn't see that is complicit as far as I'm concerned.

CiaoBrucester · 26/09/2018 13:02

@noeffingidea mass grooming is correct. Changed career now but I previously worked as a student support adviser in a sixth form working with 16 - 19 year olds. I was in my early twenties so there wasn't a huge age gap between me and the students but we might as well have come from different planets in regards to what they had been exposed to and accepted as normal in their intimate relationships.

NotANotMan · 26/09/2018 13:49

I have literally just been told by a detective working in special investigations that they are extremely busy due to the massive number of sexual crimes reported during freshers week. She said it's all student on student crimes. This is what we are sending our daughters off into.

ToeToToe · 26/09/2018 16:50

So awful.

I said this on the beer mat toothpaste student thread - this is what a generation of online porn has done to young men. Something like 80% of online porn shows women being degraded or abused.

Our young men are practically raised on this shit now. We can't allow this stuff to be normalised (it has been, very successfully) and let them to see this stuff from about the age of 11 or whatever, and expect them to not transfer this into their real life relationships, and their real life treatment of women.

Coyoacan · 27/09/2018 14:47

Apparently there were two separate cases of women being kidnapped and raped in Holbeck, that were not prosecuted because the punters mistook them for prostitutes.

Does anyone tell these students being recruited into prostitution that the law will cease to protect them?

ErrolTheDragon · 27/09/2018 14:51

Apparently there were two separate cases of women being kidnapped and raped in Holbeck, that were not prosecuted because the punters mistook them for prostitutes.

WTF?ConfusedAngry punters who kidnap and rape anyone, whether a prostitute or not, should be prosecuted.

qawsderf · 27/09/2018 14:56

Although it is Brighton Uni, the stand was at the Eastbourne Branch.

Unlike Brighton, Eastbourne is a very conservative town.

Elephantinacravat · 27/09/2018 14:59

What the chargrilled fuck is this?

Elephantinacravat · 27/09/2018 15:00

Oh it's says it's 'trans inclusive' in the bio, what a fucking surprise.

Honestly, I am literally horrified at this. Fucking horrified.

0ccamsRazor · 27/09/2018 15:09

Fuck fuck fucking hell, what the fuck is happening?

We were celebrating 100 years of suffrage this year, but all I see now is woman's rights going fucking backwards.

I am so Angry

I feel so much rage.

Does anyone else feel like this?

DJLippy · 27/09/2018 15:17

There is no such thing as 'just' a prostitute now. Modern day prostitution involves marketing yourself - i.e. being an amateur porn star. Watched a doc about a pop up brothel and even the trafficked East European girls were expected to post pictures online and had their pimps manage their online profiles.

I saw a heartbreaking BBC Three doc the other day about a girl starting out in porn game. She was a graduate but unemployable because she'd done a bit of camgirling at university and now her reputation was trashed. The documentary is literally called 'why I chose porn' Its a joke she was backed into a corner and now living a life of abuse and isolation.

Even if a girl does 'safe' camwhoring she's still in danger of ruining her reputation - which is gonna fuck up all her future professional career prospects.

LittleMissedTheSunshine · 27/09/2018 15:17

When I was at Uni (oxbridge) you weren't even allowed a normal job in term time let alone a sex worker one. But then we had grants and things in them days...

Annandale · 27/09/2018 15:21

Her reputation?? Jeez. We really are back in 1879. I wouldn't put it past TM to spend her evenings trawling studentroom.co.uk like Gladstone imploring the fallen women to clean up their online profiles.

DJLippy · 27/09/2018 15:40

The reality is that women have a reputation to maintain. The idea that its the women who warn girls that this is an issue are the ones creating the problem is the most fucked up piece of DARVO in existence.

Whore was not a word invented by women. Female purity is a notion invented by men. In the real world women need to recognize that you can't become a porn star and then have a normal life. You are tainted. Not in the eyes of feminists - in the eyes of society.

In reality most 'sex work' involves creating images which will be on the internet forever. We need to recognise this as an added problem when we discuss this problem.

noeffingidea · 27/09/2018 16:59

LittleMissedTheSunshine grants and 'things' have been replaced by student loans.

Turph · 27/09/2018 17:21

images which will be on the internet forever. We need to recognise this as an added problem when we discuss this problem.
Young people don't plan ahead. Brains not fully formed etc. Plus sexting pics ("send nudes") is so mainstream, girls are blasé about it. Those pics and vids end up online. (Google the story of isanyoneup)
Funnily, there are (very sad and shocking) stories of men filmed masturbating online and then blackmailed, sometimes committing suicide over the shame of it.
But nothing about girls with ruined reputations unable to find work, that's too common to merit a mention. Angry

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