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Selling your body is just another normal student job now apparently

112 replies

Blackberrypiesforbreakfast · 25/09/2018 23:09

A sex workers cooperative actually have a stand at a university freshers fair. I am really scared by how quickly this is being normalised.

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AngryAttackKittens · 26/09/2018 01:51

Do some reading about what's happened since prostitution was legalized in Germany, Rebecca. "That would never happen" often turns out to be "that's already happened".

JillyArmeeen · 26/09/2018 01:54

Why wouldn't it be in jobcentres?
If a mega brothel opened and needed workers they could advertise those legal jobs. Not here yet thank god but there are people advocating for the full legalisation of prostitution in this country..
Nothing to do with individual clients, they just walk in and rent a room for an hour. No questions asked.
There was a thread here couple of moths ago about mega brothels in Germany. Linked to the red light district in Leeds.. Interesting reading.

LassWiADelicateAir · 26/09/2018 01:56

The Freshers Fair stand is scary but I wonder if it is some sort of joke (albeit in bad taste), ie not really sex workers advertising their wares because it just doesn't make sense that they would do that

It's an outreach resource for student sex workers, tbh I don't think they are sellling it as a career option. They give advice on sexual health issues amongst other things. Their website looks as if one could ask for advice on that without actually being a prostitute.

I don't seriously see legalised brothels happening here.

JillyArmeeen · 26/09/2018 02:02

It's not about "people who do that" the point is when sex work is legalised, those jobs become legitimate work.
So if you're at the job centre looking for work or being forced to find a job with more hours even if you already have a job that works around your caring responsibilities, you could be penalised for not taking up any job that provides that work/extra hours.
Have a little think about the sorts of women that would impact.

OlennasWimple · 26/09/2018 02:43

I live somewhere that prostitution is legal if in a licensed brothel. So there are many young girls who fight tooth and nail to get a job at the licensed establishments, because otherwise their alternative is to work at the unlicensed places which are beyond grim.

I will never ever support legalised prostitution, in part because the argument that it protects women against the dodgy places just isn't true

And any student union that support this shit needs to take a hard look at itself (though hardly suprising, given that the NUS stance on sex workers is that they shoudl be supported and not be evicted from student residences etc Hmm

ErrolTheDragon · 26/09/2018 05:16

It's an outreach resource for student sex workers, tbh I don't think they are sellling it as a career option.

No, but it's normalising 'sex work'. The effect on the young people - of both sexes - of that can't be good.

Charliethefeminist · 26/09/2018 05:31

Rebecca: a 'client'?
Turph: yuh huh

This is dressed up as 'we need to look after the girls'. In reality there will be (certainly should be) university welfare services who can do the same without encouraging and normalising prostitution, and making it seem like just another club that wimen can join.

It will be run and staffed by women. But men are behind it.

NotANotMan · 26/09/2018 05:52

Retweeted by LGBT Brighton. This is post modern, neo liberal politics in action. Terfs and swerfs are bigots and normalising prostitution to teenage girls leaving home for the first time is totally normal and fine.

Selling your body is just another normal student job now apparently
Bowlofbabelfish · 26/09/2018 05:54

Give it time, soon the job centre will be advertising sex work as a valid job and women who refuse to apply will be sanctioned.

It already has in Germany. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/1482371/If-you-dont-take-a-job-as-a-prostitute-we-can-stop-your-benefits.html

This is a concerted effort to roll back all women’s rights until we are either on our backs or in the kitchen. It’s a men’s sexual rights movement and more and more it’s looking like a men’s paraphilia normalisation movement.

woman11017 · 26/09/2018 05:56

Is there a link we can use OP to contact university en masse? Thank you.
PS: Is there any more news on this one?
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/beer-mats-university-of-sussex-students-sexist-brushbox-dental-care-a8547226.html

woman11017 · 26/09/2018 06:39

Clearly a child protection issue for school 6th forms recommending any universities with these practices.
Worth contacting them too.

Universities will not want to lose our clever feminist young women students because of this.
Especially when all potential students are their income stream.

Kyanite · 26/09/2018 06:41

It's probably doing webcamming rather than on the streets prostitution.

This is what comes from student debt...tuition fees and no maintenance grants.

woman11017 · 26/09/2018 06:52

It's probably doing webcamming rather than on the streets prostitution.
Pornography is prostitution and prostitution is rape.
Procurers are pimps. Simple Smile
School and universities are putting themselves in a precarious legal position.

emogoo · 26/09/2018 06:54

I went to uni 5 years ago, a couple of girls on my degree course took up sex work. So more common than some people think...

Marmelised · 26/09/2018 07:04

Don’t agree with freshers fair stand of course nor the implication of normalisation. However there were newspaper articles most years about student prostitution even back in my day of full grants and no tuition fees.

NotANotMan · 26/09/2018 07:06

So if we accept that female undergraduate are taking up prostitution to pay for university in greater numbers since (presumably) higher fees and costs of living, are we to shrug and say 'market forces!' And accept the normalisation of commodification of young female bodies and their exploitation by older, more powerful men in exchange for the opportunity to get education??

noeffingidea · 26/09/2018 07:10

emogoo did you know any boys who took up sex work?

madcatladyforever · 26/09/2018 07:10

I only met one person who paid her uni fees with prostitution and she is totally fukked up. Last I heard was being sectioned for her own safety.
I don't suppose these people discuss the possible mental health problems associated with this "career".

Annandale · 26/09/2018 07:25

This looks like a health or social support organisation rather than a careers one. Still think it normalises sex work, both for men and for women. I'm also sad to see total acceptance of the inevitability of sex work, which is how i interpret 'no judgement of your choices'+

TurfClub · 26/09/2018 07:26

SWOP seems woke as fuck. A couple of days ago they were commemorating the "international day of action in memory of Vanessa Campos, a migrant, trans sex worker in Paris"

Because there aren't any female sex workers killed in the UK or anything, no that never happens.

And yes, they will swerf shame you to hell if you think that sex work is anything other than absolutely fabulous.

And yes, they are promoting this to children

"It's #alevelresultsday2018 and if you are off to @SussexUni or @BIMMBrighton this September then look out for us at their Freshers Fairs for information and advice around #studentlife and #sexwork"

Here's your A Level results kid, school's over now it's time to be a whore.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/09/2018 07:36

Come and play on our wheel of sexual wellbeing!

WTF is on that? It looks as though it says 'pants' and 'key ring' a few times, and 'bubbles', 'candle' and (one) 'condom'Confused

I'd have thought it should be more like Russian roulette and include 'STD', 'unwanted pregnancy' ...

QuentinWinters · 26/09/2018 07:46

However there were newspaper articles most years about student prostitution even back in my day of full grants and no tuition fees.
PR by men who want to normalize prostitution Angry

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 26/09/2018 07:59

I wish I'd only had boys. Feel sick and scared for my daughter.

deepwatersolo · 26/09/2018 08:10

This is grim. I remember reading some article about some student prostituting herself every now and then in life style magazines, which did start to normalize it, but I never saw it for real, when I studied. Not even the sugar daddy scenario.
As a post doc in the US, though, a colleague had a girl friend, a Student, who had paid off her credit card debt of 10000 this way. They met in a psychiatric ward, he had broken down under the pressure of work in the lab we worked in.
This is no light matter, Prostitution can have severe consequences, normalizing it for students under Financial pressure smacks of predatory behaviour.

NotANotMan · 26/09/2018 08:15

I had one friend at university who had skipped a year so was 17 when she started. A literal child.