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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Good to see Mail exposing Transgender Trend dishonesty

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ArmchairAnnie · 22/09/2018 12:53

We never wanted our stickers to be used in schools says group which recommended plastering them all over your pencil case.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6193573/Parents-group-apologises-anti-transgender-stickers.html

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CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 17:08

Yes, that's no surprise. Stonewall's Ruth Hunt made a decision quite a while ago to push gay rights to the side and to throw her lot and the charity's funds into trans rights. The kind of people they have on their trans advisory committee are Aimee Challenor and Alex Drummond. They have no expertise or knowledge about child development, education or Safeguarding.

placemats · 22/09/2018 17:10

Not sure if this is the right thread to post this. But the NHS is being sued now.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/sep/22/nhs-taken-to-court-over-fertility-services-for-transgender-patients

Strapped for cash NHS is failing to

a) Help those who need surgery for transition or else suicide.
b) Fail to produce magic powder dust to keep fertility.

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 17:10

Stonewall was the originator of the trans umbrella which includes crossdressers, tranvestites and fetishistic males

ArmchairAnnie · 22/09/2018 17:11

They have no expertise or knowledge about child development, education or Safeguarding.

Should be applying for jobs with Transgender Trend then

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Bowlofbabelfish · 22/09/2018 17:13

lang’s safeguarding questions, OP? Since you clearly are very keen on protecting vulnerable young people?

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 17:14

Is that the level of debate you are engaging in?

placemats · 22/09/2018 17:16

Such disingenuous posts OP.

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 17:16

It was a bit 'you smell'

no, you smell'

I work with 10 year olds

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 17:20

For the removal of confusion for any lurkers, here's Alex Drummond, Stonewall trans advisor:

Widening the bandwidth of woman

Advocate for self-ID

ArmchairAnnie · 22/09/2018 17:21

*It was a bit 'you smell'

no, you smell'

I work with 10 year olds*

You've got a job on Mumsnet?

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TwistedStitch · 22/09/2018 17:22

Stonewall's disapproval really isn't the trump card you think it is OP. I don't hold Aimee Chanellor's opinion on the safeguarding of children in very high esteem.

exLtEveDallas · 22/09/2018 17:23

Our headteacher was very interested in the TT pack. He's pretty sensible though, as is his deputy. Both ex science teachers. Probably why.

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 17:23

Eh? Well I hope this thread stand because I think we've all learned a lot, but I'm off to make lemon drizzle cake

FermatsTheorem · 22/09/2018 17:25

Stonewall's disapproval really isn't the trump card you think it is OP. I don't hold Aimee Chanellor's opinion on the safeguarding of children in very high esteem.

Yes. This. A hundred times over.

So how about it, OP? Give Lang's questions a go?

Is it a good idea to take a vulnerable, emotionally distressed child, and encourage them to disclose their distress to one adult, in confidence, with no guarantees that that adult is trustworthy?

Is it a good idea to take a vulnerable, emotionally distressed child and encourage parental alienation?

Is it a good idea, having encouraged a vulnerable, emotionally distressed child to confide in a single adult in confidence, to then discourage multi-agency working?

placemats · 22/09/2018 17:26

I'm off to eat my home made lemon drizzle cake (tray bake).

Then some chilli for this chilly day and settle down to some Strictly followed bizarrely by Killing Eve; the latter I've already seen but it's so worth a re watch.

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 17:27

And before I go, another question from me:

Is it a good idea, given all you might know or suspect about a child's background, mental health or the fact they might have ASD, to unquestionably affirm a child's gender confusion? Even if you were missing possible emotional abuse, sexual abuse or mental health problems?

FermatsTheorem · 22/09/2018 17:29

Just in case any lurkers out there don't know who Aimee Challenor is, this twitter thread from Times journalist Andrew Gilligan will fill in the gaps.

twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1034044550136975360

Aimee Challenor was instrumental in helping both the Green Party and Stonewall develop policies around young trans people, including putting in place exactly the sort of safeguarding gaps alluded to up thread.

But no, apparently stickers stating the obvious biological truth that women do not have penises are what we should really be worrying about.

Cascade220 · 22/09/2018 18:12

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LangCleg · 22/09/2018 18:20

Is it a good idea, given all you might know or suspect about a child's background, mental health or the fact they might have ASD, to unquestionably affirm a child's gender confusion? Even if you were missing possible emotional abuse, sexual abuse or mental health problems?

The Allsorts pack specifically says that it's ok to affirm and socially transition SEND children at school without informing their parents and even if other professionals working with the child disagree.

That's not a safeguarding loophole: that's fucking obliteration.

R0wantrees · 22/09/2018 18:25

Guardian article discussing differences between the Mermaids/ Allsorts and Transgender Trend's toolkit approaches:

'Schools pulled into row over helping transgender children
As more teens come out as trans, experts clash over how schools should help'

(extract)

Profound disagreement has arisen about what schools should do. Should they, in the words of a widely used toolkit from the Allsorts Youth Project in Brighton, “make visible and celebrate trans people”? Or take the “watchful waiting” approach advocated by the Transgender Trend pack, which warns schools to be “aware of the risk of ‘social contagion’ from celebrity trans internet vloggers who glamorise medical transition”?

Stephanie Davies-Arai, a parenting adviser, launched the Transgender Trend resource pack in February half-term, thinking it would barely get noticed. Instead, she says: “It just blew up”. The LGBT lobby group Stonewall accused Transgender Trend, the organisation Davies-Arai set up two-and-a-half years ago, of spreading “damaging myths, panic and confusion”, and advised local authorities not to use the pack. On Twitter, people piled in, with one describing the pack (which had been checked by lawyers) as a “modern edition of Mein Kampf”.
Davies-Arai says she took an interest in the subject because as a child she had felt herself to be a boy, and she didn’t think it was a good idea to label children like her as transgender because she believes that in some cases, these feelings resolve naturally by the end of adolescence.

While the Allsorts advice states that “trans pupils or students should have access to the changing room that corresponds to their gender identity” and that in PE lessons, students “should be enabled to participate in the activity which corresponds to their gender identity if this is what they request”, Davies-Arai argues that shared changing rooms present difficulties for some girls. Few teenage girls will be willing to admit that they feel uncomfortable sharing a changing room with a biologically male student, she says.

She points out that the technical guidance on the Equality Act for schools suggests offering students “private changing facilities, such as the staff changing room or another suitable space” – the approach taken at Miles’s school.

Susie Green, CEO of the charity Mermaids, disagrees, saying the debate about single-sex toilets seems “engineered to whip up fear” and is equivalent to “arguing people of colour shouldn’t be allowed to use the same toilets as white people in case they make them dirty”. (continues)

Adele Robinson (not her real name), a head of year at a secondary school, shares Davies-Arai’s worries. The school has had 12 children, all girls, come out as transgender in the past 18 months. The majority, she says, have autism, and some have experienced sexual abuse.

When they come out, she says, they have brought in information sourced from Tumblr blogs and YouTube videos. Although her team does its best to “support every child in a loving, kind and compassionate way”, she feels that staff are too frightened to challenge what she sees as harmful practices: “We have chest binders worn in school, which is horrible. If a child was cutting, they would be straight in with a counsellor. Yet damaging developing breast tissue goes unquestioned. It’s a gross failure in terms of child protection.”

Green disagrees, and argues for a biological underpinning to transgender identity: “If a child or young person consistently, insistently and persistently states their feelings, to ignore, punish or repress their gender identity would effectively be reparative therapy.” (continues)
www.theguardian.com/education/2018/may/15/transgender-row-teachers-afraid-challenge-breast-binding

R0wantrees · 22/09/2018 18:27

Interview with Stephanie Davies-Arai where she speaks at length & with nuance about the background to Transgender Trend:

IAmLurkacus · 22/09/2018 18:27

Nice bit of racism there from our dear friend Susie.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 22/09/2018 18:29

"Stonewall's Ruth Hunt made a decision quite a while ago to push gay rights to the side and to throw her lot and the charity's funds into trans rights. "

Does anyone have any idea why women esp lesbians are doing this? GG is another case run by a woman and acting against female interests at the behest of one or more creepy pervy chaps.

I know what is in this for men, but why are these women in some cases leading the charge to remove safeguaridng etc?

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 18:34

Lang

I wonder if Annie knew that?

Well, no matter: all the lurkers know it now Grin

IAmLurkacus · 22/09/2018 18:34

My theory is a lethal combination of stupidity and socialisation.

I lot of the self righteousness I’ve encountered from female allies is very similar to the self righteousness of some church goers. Humans capacity for self delusion is infinite.

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