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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

India Willoughby meltdown on Twitter re Pips Bunce

110 replies

MrGHardy · 22/09/2018 01:23

twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1043128498544680960

"He's not a real woman but I am". Smile

ps does anyone know why this is blowing up now? I swear that Pips Bunce had won this award or a similar one or at least was in the news months and months ago.

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AbsintheFriends · 22/09/2018 08:19

IW doesn't care about how we know. IW doesn't care about women's safety or recognition for their achievements in business. IW's gripe with this is about how it MAKES INDIA LOOK.

ApplesinmyPocket · 22/09/2018 08:19

I'd be more impressed by India's condemnation if a) I didn't think that India would say that India, unlike "Pippa", would be eligible for a women's award, since India "is a REAL woman", and b) if India wasn't making it clear every few tweets that they "still hate TERFs, make no mistake."

TerfedOff · 22/09/2018 08:19

t.co/4HN69KWXfy

This self proclaimed drag queen is also on the list. Nicci Take. Last year he was on the LGBT top 100 award so it's not as if they don't have the appropriate list to put these people on.

They are not and never will be female.

calpop · 22/09/2018 08:21

I find Pips Bunce an utter joke (as do many people i know who work at CS). Does anyone know an actual woman who dresses like that in FS? Any grad female coming in looking like that wouldn't last a week. I worked at one of these places and a temp PA came in with a bit of an inappropriate revealing look and she was ritually humiliated, found crying in the toilets and her agency was told she needed Re-education. She never came back.

He's just another spectrum IT bloke with a suspenders fetish due to mummy issues, yawn (20 years in IT, so been done before, this one's just better at self PR).

Why is no one championing actual women, who are treated like shit by these investment banks?

cordeliaflynne · 22/09/2018 08:21

I can in no way step into Bewilderness's shoes but I can tell you it it the 10th rule of misogyny....

LassWiADelicateAir · 22/09/2018 08:24

I don't think I've ever owned a pair of fishnets. Who in their right mind would think they were appropriate for work??

Not really getting this part of your complaint about him. I've owned and still own fishnet tights, lacey tights, tights with geometric patterns and have worn them to the office. As do other women.
The pink lace dress is a bit much for office wear but the tights themselves as long as the dress was at least knee length are no big deal.

noeffingidea · 22/09/2018 08:27

I'm not surprised India is having a meltdown, India is intelligent enough to see which way the wind is blowing.

Handsoffmyrights · 22/09/2018 08:28

**I can't take credit for that one, Charlie, I read it on here.

Sums it up nicely though, eh?**

It's spot on, thanks for bringing the phrase to my attention.

RJnomore1 · 22/09/2018 08:31

Im confised by the trans drag queen. I thought the trans community found drag queens distasteful and poking fun at then?

AngryAttackKittens · 22/09/2018 08:31

India is intelligent enough to see which way the wind is blowing

And yet suffering too much from narcissistic injury to stop themselves from screeching T*RF at women who so much as hint at the idea that maybe people can't change sex.

Handsoffmyrights · 22/09/2018 08:34

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Handsoffmyrights · 22/09/2018 08:36

Just reported my own post for 'misgendering'
I did it with Jess Badley and MN removed so handing myself in.

R0wantrees · 22/09/2018 08:37

Remember when India wrote an article in PInk News about how India's opinion about gender self-id had changed?

India was very upset about Mumsnet and Justine Robert's decision to allow free civil discussion about the proposed changes to the GRA.

It was an opinion piece and as India is a journalist we can be reassured that these are India's own words:

April 2018 'India Willoughby: Britain’s rampant transphobia has me worried for my life'
(extracts)
"We’re heading for a modern day Stonewall riot – unless the government and media clamp down on what has become rampant transphobia.
Transgender people are being bullied and hounded like never before – and we need to be very careful about where all this unfettered hate dressed up as “free speech” is going.
The Sunday Times, Daily Mail and – wait for it – Mumsnet – are hounding trans women in the same way Hitler went about stigmatising Jewish people."

"I totally get why many women might have concerns about this, given there have been so many ridiculous over-the-top debates where the scenario of sex-offender in a dress is trotted out.
It just doesn’t bear up to scrutiny though. Honestly. Self-identification in no way incentivises someone to commit a sex offence. It doesn’t make it easier or more likely.
Waving a piece of paper or shouting “I’m a woman” is not going to buy any leniency from the police or courts

I admit – I wasn’t convinced about self ID myself to begin with, but the evidence from around the world is irrefutable. I was categorically wrong, and fell for the hysteria." (continues)

"I defy anyone to visit Mumsnet right now, look up transgender, and tell me that the vicious and mocking threads about trans people would be allowed about any other demographic. It’s the stuff of pitchforks and lanterns. The same rhetoric about race, religion on sexuality would lead to prosecutions and official condemnation.

Mumsnet CEO Justine Roberts squeals that trans people highlighting the content – including threads which out trans people – to some of the site’s main advertisers is out of order. She describes it as an attack on free speech. This might be a shock to Justine, but trans people have free speech, too.

There’s even a debate about introducing a new trans Section 28, clamping down on educating the public about what transgender is.

Justine is adamant there’s nothing transphobic on Mumsnet. Only reasoned debate. She wants transgender visitors to Mumsnet to be “happy and supported.” It feels reminiscent of when Cruella de Vil opens a home for stray dogs in 101 Dalmatians." (continues)

£Mumsnet’s reputation for transphobia is fully deserved. Hardliners openly strategise ways to make life tougher for trans people: Passengers warned not to travel on sleeper trains because they might end up in the same sleeping berth as a woman who’s trans. Support gathered to stop trans women being allowed on Labour’s all-women shortlists. National meeting organised where they can clap and cheer their hatred.
It’s all very similar to the way the National Front used to operate.

I’m sure most people who use the site are decent folk. They want nothing to do with the rabid mouth-frothing going on by so-called “feminists.”" (continues)

"All we want to do is use the appropriate bathroom or changing area, and get on with our lives.
Which is where I would ask all women who think of themselves as feminists, or equal rights supporters, to stand alongside trans women at the moment." (cont.)

"Last week was my first ever visit to Mumsnet. Honestly, I thought it was going to be lots of stuff about prams, or family-related matters. A sort of online This Morning minus Phil and Holly. The reality is more like a Nuremberg Rally. It’s very scary." (continues)

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/04/24/india-willoughby-transphobia-opinion-worried-for-my-life-mumsnet/

Handsoffmyrights · 22/09/2018 08:38

Shucks,
will I ever 'learn'? Shock

JellySlice · 22/09/2018 08:41

He says he is “gender fluid” and “non-binary.”

In that case, by his own logic his is not a woman. And should therefore not be listed as a 'Top 100 Women in Business'.

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 08:42

There's a long thread about Pips. Don't mean to be all authoritarian, but could this one be about IW?

pancaketosser · 22/09/2018 08:43

I'd say that India should look up what Godwin's Law is but I fear that if I did, India would call me a nazi.

LangCleg · 22/09/2018 08:44

I had a really funny parody post all typed out and then I realised it wasn't much of a parody at all.

Twitter, eh? Dominated by XYs arguing among themselves about which of them is and which of them isn't, a woman.

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 08:45

... because it's easy to talk about how unreasonable Pips is. It's more nuanced to talk about how Pips is just one of a line of people pushing women's boundaries and then calling them TERFs when they object. He's just more obvious about it.

IW must be experiencing massive cognitive dissonance right now

AngryAttackKittens · 22/09/2018 08:46

"Quite coincidentally the definition of a woman is the one that includes me and excludes you other oiks who I feel superior to."

LangCleg · 22/09/2018 08:47

India is intelligent enough to see which way the wind is blowing.

This is not quite the impression I get.

LangCleg · 22/09/2018 08:49

"Quite coincidentally the definition of a woman is the one that includes me and excludes you other oiks who I feel superior to."

Or, more simply: The definition of woman is ME. This is because nobody else in the world matters except for ME.

AngryAttackKittens · 22/09/2018 08:49

I think that may be the first time I've ever seen Lang do understatement.

AngryAttackKittens · 22/09/2018 08:50

(Meant the first one, but in India's case the second might be a bit too reasonable too.)

CrackpotsArePots · 22/09/2018 08:53

India should distance India from Stonewall